AW vs TBH war, and AW current situation

[Muleo]

Also, Corsairs have one really screwed up version of aligned.. Grouped in no way means aligned.. Not even close. We group with BHG for a small matter or because they are helping us when paid, and now all of the sudden we are allied? I don't see how that connects at all. Also, as stated, we don't group with Outcasts, we are not aligned, we are at best connected by; 'Mutual Military Struggle.' Which means that we are both enemies of someone, and we help each other if we find them under attack by that person/group. It doesn't even get to friendly.

Uhm.. about the whole "we're not allied to the Outcasts, we just help each other defeat the Corsairs", that's pretty much what an alliance is.

Think about WW2, America and Russia needed to defeat Germany and her allies. One was a capitalist state, the other a communist state. But they had a common enemy, so they were ALLIED.

[chopper]

IMG GB? Sure.. But only if you are at least 'Neutral' or even better - 'Friendly' with the only official IMG faction.
You know which one, you'v fought them a lot..
Acting as IMG friends when you need their ships, but being their enemies when you see it as an advantage is not a good thing.

Attacking Tau-44 also makes it impossible for you to acquire those GB's.

As for the battleships, I agree with Mjolnir.. Why do you need BS's which can go trough asteroids?
Aren't you using them for defending of Theta bases?

As for Taiidan bomber.. Yes, I guess it's okay for you guys to use it, but ROC still fits better.
I know it sucks in PVP, but this is an RP server.
So, if AFA and XA can use ROC - you can too.
Unless you RP an agreement with GMG faction that is also currently in 'making progress'.

We are not allied, aligned, friendly, anything you come up with, with the Outcasts. As I told McNeo, we ask Outcasts for help as they are the enemies of the people currently hostile to us. If the Outcasts were to have attacked us instead, we'd be going to the Corsairs for help.

As I said it before.. I was attacked by AW member because I invaded Alpha once - with my Corsair.
I was also attacked by AW in front of Malta when CR/BSG attacked Alpha.
Smells like mutual friendship to me, even though it's not official.

About making a mid system, I'm against it. But that's just me.. I also don't like O-Eta where it is.
It's changing Corsair-Outcast vanilla roleplay completely.

I didn't see it mentioned, so I'll mention it.. I don't know if you are still using Del Cid line..
But if you are, my opinion is that you shouldn't.
I'v seen an AW Taiidan bomber with Furies - and I was very pleasantly surprised.
And I think that is the way you should follow.
If you are not using it, I apologize.

---

It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[Doom]

well as battlestars concern i can think of two remaining...but thats not the issue...

whats wrong with Zoner juggy?...if all goes well and time permitting i will finish Jinx's zoner juggy and all will be fine...we can add it as new smaller model or replace old one....there is possibility of some zoner gunship or something along those lines...so ships cant be the issue here i think...

EDIT: yes..i agree with Chopper above...IMG GB is a bit of a stretch considering the past..however that ship is openly sold on Kurile...so go figure...

[Jwnantze]

@chopper. Yes that was my bomber, and they are totally useless. In all honesty they were swapped for other weps the next day(not delcids though). My fighter, however, mounts 2 delcids. I purchased them 8 months ago when TBH and AW were friendly. Same with the bomber, which at the time was the corsair bomber. Have had both ever since, except I did piddle around with a waren for a while, that didnt last long.

---

There is nothing worth living for, unless it is worth dying for. -Elizabeth Elliott

[chopper]

I understand you had them before, but you can't justify that in RP.
I can't see it as in RP only because it's purchased before the war.
You need parts for repairing them, or even mounting new ones from time to time.

However, I'v given my opinion on the subject already, I don't want to get in to a discussion.
It's your choice, after all. I was just stating my opinion about AW having a better 'look'.
That's all.

---

It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[McNeo]

The mere mention of AW using Outcast warships smells, to a Corsair, of alignment with the Outcasts.

Also, basing battleship choice on "what can go through asteroids" is ooRP. Its like basing battleship choice on "what looks nice". Its the same kind of reason, and both are considered ooRP.

As already pointed out, thats like a Corsair flying a Rheinland Pirate Cruiser because they "dont like how the praefect looks", or in 4.83, using the Kusari destroyer because "the Huntress doesn't do rocks". Both are ooRP and comparable to what you want.

We are not allied, aligned, friendly, anything you come up with, with the Outcasts. As I told McNeo, we ask Outcasts for help as they are the enemies of the people currently hostile to us. If the Outcasts were to have attacked us instead, we'd be going to the Corsairs for help.

Yes, you told me that, and I still believe firmly that what you say here is a lie. The AW have always worked with the Outcasts for as long as I can remember before either war. You ship choice is testament to that. Even a single vessel constitutes alignment to that particular faction. That single vessel being an Outcast dreadnought just afirms my view that you are Outcast, and its not just my view that says that.

What you buy and use as your ships aren't really my concern. What is my concern is that you expect to be seen as neutral with these ships that automatically align yourself with one side of an endless war.

[globalplayer-svk]

dab, docking corsairs dread on freeport. it is called freeport, not AW port. and it is zoner bae, free for all,not for all except corsairs. many times i see bh battlecruisers undocking from freeport and noone say nothing. theta is so much corsairs ZOI as AW ZOI. we both are one jh from theta. and when AW have omicron-74 back and loose their Zoner tag, then docking for AW in theta is so much oorp as for corsairs.and when AW still have zoner tag, then i see no reason for hostility between zoners and corsairs.and dont forget one thing, corsairs need food from freeport, so try to denied corsairs acces to theta and to freeport wil lstart big RP war for food.


about not using zoner juggernauts because they stuck in asteroids,i will better not type what i am thinking about that because then i can change my corsair dread for something with smaller profile...(it is pain flying trough stones too,but i can live with that..)

about this: Now it is those two, Harvesters (obvious reasons), OPG and TBH (TBH broke ceasefire 4 times, OPG aided them in attacks on AW in Theta).

you know that AW broke the ceasefire too, (and you have the screenshots from me,you ususpended the pilot or something,when no,maybe you remember on big outcast dread that destroy tinky in gamma near theta jh,or for corada destroying tinky near gamma jh in theta onyl because i was asking and not leavign without answers.) you are sure that OPGH aided TBH in attack on AW? because when that happend i was there, OPG torquemada was only sitting still near freeport together with artemis [TBH]and it was AW who open fire first. so please dont say something that is not true. and when is for you attack that corsairs ships are in theta without showing any hostiliy or firing on someone then it is surprise for me. and when was the second incident and you was undocking,we give you time to gain control over ship and start turning maneuver,then we open fire. so dont say that someomne shooting on you when you are stuck on base when you undock.

and about that AW is not friendly to outcasts, so why i see so many time AW ships in alpha in one group with outcasts? or you are grouping with all ?

too many things that are not clear in politics of AW now, maybe only for me. i dont need that AW change their diplomacy to be the best friends of corsairs or what, i only need exactly know what enemy is behing doors to our home system.

(and nothing personnal tagain noone,its just a game)

---

[Tomtomrawr]

Brain wave:

look at my other post on page 2, now maybe get a home system made from Eta.

---

[17:45:39] Wolfs Ghost (Murphy): Tom, you have problems. Go kill yourself.
[19:25:12] Johnny (Jam): Tomtom, I will beat you with a spoon.
[14:22:56] Prarabdh Thakur: KILL HIM WITH A SHEEP.
[17:40:48] Eagle (Junes): Tom should be slapped with a spoon.
[11:32:18] Warspite: Thank you for being so awesome Tom. <3
[18:17:36] Metano: I love you tomtom
[20:06:24] Warspite: I will seriously give you epic head.

Edit: also, Tomtomrawr, fappin' like a boss.

[Equinox]

I do not see why other factions are expected to use say the civ bomber but the AW do not think they have to? the same goes for the use of the Outcast battleship? the Jugg doesn't go through the rocks well so the AW is allowed to go ooRP and fly whatever battleship they like? the Battlestars don't go through asteroids well but the BSG/CR still use them, if they thought the same way the AW did they would probably be able to get there hands on an Osiris but that would be frowned on right? (double standers anyone?), the Corsair Dread is terrible in asteroids should we go ooRP and get another ship? for ages we where stuck with Cruiser that was so bad through asteroids it was insane but we still used the things.

Yes that was my bomber, and they are totally useless. In all honesty they were swapped for other weps the next day(not delcids though). My fighter, however, mounts 2 delcids. I purchased them 8 months ago when TBH and AW were friendly. Same with the bomber, which at the time was the corsair bomber. Have had both ever since, except I did piddle around with a waren for a while, that didnt last long.

Am I reading this right? an AW ship using a hostile factions weapons? if so im very disappointed. The point im making is the AW seem to think that some rules that apply for every faction on this server doesnt apply to them at all, I remember the NovaPG being told to get rid of there Del Cids because they where hostile with the Corsairs so the AW should get rid of theres aswell.

---

[Dab]

@chopper; We were NEVER at war with CR. We were hostile, not at war, with BSG, after it had split from CR, and that was because of BSG's own actions. Also, its sold on bases other than IMG, as Doom mentioned.

@The lot of you.. The Taiiden is just as RP as the Civ Bomber. Its made by GMG, a Zoner ally, and is sold on a Zoner Freeport. Hence why I used it. If I didn't care about the RP of it, I wouldn't forbid my members to use Falcatas.

On the Tizonas, any of the TBH has no right to complain about it.. When setting up the cease fire with McNeo, I had 'No using Corsair ships or equipment, and TBH down as 'No using Zoner ships or equipment.' McNeo asked me to remove the equipment part, and specifically mentioned that we were allowed Del Cids. I agreed after talking to a few other AW. Given that, yes, we are now hostile again. And you can ask all of my members, that they have been warned that if they buy any new Corsair equipment other than what they ALREADY HAD, I personally would be kicking them. We have, I believe, only 4 Del Cids in total, with none on our armoury.

@Global; Again I say. If you have evidence of what he said, send it to me. I punished him for the acts I was given evidence for, please don't turn the thread into a flame war with made-up excuses. If its not made-up, prove me wrong and I'll take appropriete action.

Also, you were not privy to the convos between McNeo and me. I showed him everything that happened and discussed it with him, warning that if it happened a fourth time, we would be hostile. When it did, I moved you to hostile, and told McNeo he would have time before it was announced. He had the oppertunity to give me some reason to stay Neutral. He said; There is nothing I can do to convince you, so I'm not even going to try.

Also, Omi-74 is a guard system 1 jump from Theta. Corsair Guard system is TWO jumps away. Your home system is Gamma. Zoner's home system is Theta. Zoners have full control over it, how else do you think they prevented Corsairs from making a base there, or do you not pay any attention to the news, only what helps your case?

And yes.. We've tried Furies. My LF has nothing but Furys, not even civ shield busters. However, on fighters they take a lot of energy, on bombers they don't do enough damage, as you can only use 4 of them. So we use Nomad weaponry and Codenames. Not Del Cids on them all.


Now on the Outcast Ships; We use the Rogue and LH GB/GS at the moment, as we don't have any better alternative. Thats why I've offered the IMG, but you guys come up with a reason not to use it to. So if you guys know everything in the world, how about you tell me what I can use in place? Hmm? Why do you think all of the indie Zoners fly IMG GBs if they aren't fighters? Because its the only one available. We have the LH GSs because of our prior alliance, and Rogue GBs because for a long time it was all we could use (before IMG GB or LH GSs).

For OC Battleships.. I take it very few of you have read the infocards on the battlestars? Go take a look.. So instead we have a flagship in a Juggernaut, but it cannot leave Theta because any asteroids get it stuck. For awhile, I've required anyone who wants a BS to have appropriete rank requirements, and then they MUST write an RP for it. The Caedo was mae before I decided that, but I was planning on turning it into an OC BS as it can get through asteroids better than the OC Dread, plus the dread is supposed to be rare, so it makes sense for the OCs to own the majority, if not all, of them. I was planning on RPing the sale of that Dread to the Outcasts. Other than the Jugg and 2 Bstars, those are the only ones we are close to being able to get our hands on. Plus, you all seem to have missed what I said before about the jugg.. I'm hoping the new one can navigate asteroids, and if it does, I'll be requiring ALL battleships to be one. However, we do have to leave Theta occasionally, and to do so we HAVE to leave through a field. I was planning on helping the TAZ at Gran Canaria as the only BS, as a stationary siege platform. Unfortunately, that event took place while I was not at home. However, doing that took me 20 minutes to get to Omega-49, a 2-system trip.. And it'd be much, much worse for a Bstar. If you guys can offer me an alternative to the Bstars, I'll use it. I'd use the Osiris, due to alliance with the Order (even RPd with Bs|), except that Corsairs use it often, so i thought it'd be frowned upon. So which would you rather? OC BS or Osiris? Pick.


@Equinox; We have an RP for the ships we use, thats why I allowed them. As I said above, if they want us to use ally ships, the Osiris, we will.
Also, We are not permanent enemies of the Corsairs, something you cannot say about the Blood Dragons. Also, it was AGREED on the cease fire, and McNeo was the one who wanted it, that equipment was still allowed to be bought, so I allowed my members to buy Del Cids. As mentioned, they are only able to use what they have bought, not allowed to buy any more. I know where all of those Tizonas are, so if someone does buy any, I will know about it.

And we DO use the Zoner Destroyers, even though they are less agile, and have far less firepower as the Outcast Destroyer. Oh, and its much easier to hit. We could use the Outcast Destroyers, but we do not, as we have an available Zoner ship to use.

Now, keep the flames DOWN please.

---