Kishiro bonuses:
Helium-3 2.0
Platinum ore 3.0
Raw Hydrocarbons 3.0
This is the mining bonuses of the only 2 Kusari corporations. Someone please explain to me why: Samura has a better mining bonus in He-3 and and Raw Hydrocarbons than Kishiro?
Samura is far more buffed as it is than Kishiro in terms of amount of bases, faction reputation (Samura has the FA&Hogosha and even to some degree the Corsairs as their private harassment force and are adored by the Kusari Exiles, Kishiro is now open season for everyone with only having GMG on their side as opposed to Samura who has no-dock relationship with them) and now even if you wanted to do what little mining in Kusari - no reason to play Kishiro. At all.
Who the hell came up with those bonuses? Why Samura is the best mining ID for both Platinum Ore (only rivaled by DSE, which has the same bonus) which it can mine in a system privately owned by Samura (fun fun fun) with no unlawful bases that can attack Samura. Closest place for that would be Kyoto, in Chugoku.
Kishiro here. Well, This is something that I have discussed with Samura and without giving too much information we have agreed to balance the checks. However, I did not have a chat with the dev responsible for this. It is not in dispute that Samura is heavily buffed in terms of planets and bonuses and so on - I know precisely how to balance this out and i will attempt to contact the dev in the charge to seek ways to better our faction. Feel free to add me to skype if you have other questions or if you wish to talk to our directors.
(02-04-2015, 12:56 PM)Toris James Gray Wrote: I can't say much, but I believe Samura is more into gasses mining and Kishiro is more into ore mining. Just saying.
This is neither represented in the game (as you can see, ALL of Kishiro's mining buffs are lower than Samura's - ore or not) and neither is true.
Kishiro is inRP the producer of the best Gas mining technology in Sirius, which they sell exclusively to the GMG and use themselves in the few gas fields that they own in Sigma-19. This is not reflected in the game.
Look, back when I was still leading Kishiro|, Kishiro and Samura had the same mining bonuses for Raw Hydrocarbons and He-3, which is something I was okay with, since further buffing them meant making GMG useless.
Kishiro| was mining happily He-3 (since Raw Hydrocarbon drops were crappy and the sell price was crappier) and making big convoys of He-3 to Liberty alongside GMG (both official players and non-official) which was something I was glad to see.
@Zen_Mechanics
Anther neat idea that you could propose to the dev team is an altered FLhook plugin that makes GMG IDed mining into a Kishiro IDed hauler have a bonus of 5.0 instead of 4.0, thus making the natural combination between the two more encouraged than any solo inside mining.
First the bonuses. Samura's main mining ore was always Platinum ore. that's how it's been since I joined the faction in 4,86 back in 2012. rest of moning stuff were RP only. recently we swiched from rp to rl mining in H-3 and RH business. Samura side is okay and is not overbuffed as you say it. Kushiro on the other hand should have x3 or x4 for Helium-3 since they have their own field in S-19, good relations with GMG and access to their mining tech. They could also have x4 for Raw Hysrocarbons. But they could also have x2 for Platinum ore since they don't have their field for that ore and can only acquire it by stealing it from Samura field in Nagano.
Samura has always been the bigger company, asset wise. It's also been around longer. That's why it has more stations plus planets. As for reputation, Kishiro is less hostile wih Dragons and GC. They dont get shot by JM. On the other hand Samura can always have problems when passing S-13 because of GMG. As I said before Samura has inrp existed longer then Kishiro. It has had support of The Emperor for how ment centuries? It's obvious that it has moved further ahead. As for docking, Samura and Kishiro have each other on -0,3. So we can dock on each other bases. Even though there is a constant competition between us we have at some points to work together to better Kusari as a whole.
Also as you said both Samura and DSE can mine Platinum with the same bonus. As for the system owning, that's how it goes with big corporations. They are huge with lots of money and can also aford to own a system and protect it. The Chugoku and Tau-37 jh are close and Dragons JM and various independent pirates often visit Samura there.
Playing inrp smaller faction is never easy. You have millions of problems to get along with. I am in such a faction (not Samura) and I'm trying my best take care of it and move it forward. (I'm not the leader od said faction) I don't know if you are part of Kishiro or not but either way so far I haven't made a post on the forum why is my faction so deep in the problems and haven't qqed about it's state. I just try to make the best of it with the tools I have at hand.
(02-04-2015, 08:23 PM)Geolog Wrote: First the bonuses. Samura's main mining ore was always Platinum ore. that's how it's been since I joined the faction in 4,86 back in 2012. rest of moning stuff were RP only. recently we swiched from rp to rl mining in H-3 and RH business. Samura side is okay and is not overbuffed as you say it. Kushiro on the other hand should have x3 or x4 for Helium-3 since they have their own field in S-19, good relations with GMG and access to their mining tech. They could also have x4 for Raw Hysrocarbons. But they could also have x2 for Platinum ore since they don't have their field for that ore and can only acquire it by stealing it from Samura field in Nagano.
Samura has always been the bigger company, asset wise. It's also been around longer. That's why it has more stations plus planets. As for reputation, Kishiro is less hostile wih Dragons and GC. They dont get shot by JM. On the other hand Samura can always have problems when passing S-13 because of GMG. As I said before Samura has inrp existed longer then Kishiro. It has had support of The Emperor for how ment centuries? It's obvious that it has moved further ahead. As for docking, Samura and Kishiro have each other on -0,3. So we can dock on each other bases. Even though there is a constant competition between us we have at some points to work together to better Kusari as a whole.
Also as you said both Samura and DSE can mine Platinum with the same bonus. As for the system owning, that's how it goes with big corporations. They are huge with lots of money and can also aford to own a system and protect it. The Chugoku and Tau-37 jh are close and Dragons JM and various independent pirates often visit Samura there.
Playing inrp smaller faction is never easy. You have millions of problems to get along with. I am in such a faction (not Samura) and I'm trying my best take care of it and move it forward. (I'm not the leader od said faction) I don't know if you are part of Kishiro or not but either way so far I haven't made a post on the forum why is my faction so deep in the problems and haven't qqed about it's state. I just try to make the best of it with the tools I have at hand.
I used to lead Kishiro| about a year ago, nowadays I don't even own a Kishiro ship, and except Zen_Mechanics that replied here that he's playing them I have no idea who is even in there.
Also, all of the above mentioned factions target Kishiro just as much as Samura (except GMG), it may have been true in the past but it's not true now.
Moreover re-read my posts, I never said Kishiro should have the same bonus as Samura for Platinum mining, I said they should have at the very least the same bonus for He-3 (again, given the fact that they produce the best gas mining equipment in Sirius, which they use themselves or sell exclusively to the GMG), and Raw Hydrocarbons.
P.S: It's not the 'oh smaller faction qq' it's the fact that this issue has been addressed over a year ago, was promised to be fixed, and behold I look into it - and instead it got a hell lot worse.
I agree with Waffles....ewww Pancakes here. Kishiro should have atleast the same bonus that Samura has in Helium 3 mining. Don't know who changed that. And as far as i remember, Kishiro had a higher mining bonus for H3 2 or 3 years ago.
About Dragons and GC, it is true that they target Kishiro as well but far less the Samura.
As for the bonuses, I also never said that you said that Samura and Kishiro should have the same Platinum bonus. I think I suggested a fair bonuses for Kishiro:
Helium-3 x4 or x5
Raw Hydrocarbon x4
Platinum ore x2
(02-04-2015, 08:23 PM)Geolog Wrote: First the bonuses. Samura's main mining ore was always Platinum ore. that's how it's been since I joined the faction in 4,86 back in 2012. rest of moning stuff were RP only. recently we swiched from rp to rl mining in H-3 and RH business. Samura side is okay and is not overbuffed as you say it. Kushiro on the other hand should have x3 or x4 for Helium-3 since they have their own field in S-19, good relations with GMG and access to their mining tech. They could also have x4 for Raw Hysrocarbons. But they could also have x2 for Platinum ore since they don't have their field for that ore and can only acquire it by stealing it from Samura field in Nagano.
Samura has always been the bigger company, asset wise. It's also been around longer. That's why it has more stations plus planets. As for reputation, Kishiro is less hostile wih Dragons and GC. They dont get shot by JM. On the other hand Samura can always have problems when passing S-13 because of GMG. As I said before Samura has inrp existed longer then Kishiro. It has had support of The Emperor for how ment centuries? It's obvious that it has moved further ahead. As for docking, Samura and Kishiro have each other on -0,3. So we can dock on each other bases. Even though there is a constant competition between us we have at some points to work together to better Kusari as a whole.
Also as you said both Samura and DSE can mine Platinum with the same bonus. As for the system owning, that's how it goes with big corporations. They are huge with lots of money and can also aford to own a system and protect it. The Chugoku and Tau-37 jh are close and Dragons JM and various independent pirates often visit Samura there.
Playing inrp smaller faction is never easy. You have millions of problems to get along with. I am in such a faction (not Samura) and I'm trying my best take care of it and move it forward. (I'm not the leader od said faction) I don't know if you are part of Kishiro or not but either way so far I haven't made a post on the forum why is my faction so deep in the problems and haven't qqed about it's state. I just try to make the best of it with the tools I have at hand.
I used to lead Kishiro| about a year ago, nowadays I don't even own a Kishiro ship, and except Zen_Mechanics that replied here that he's playing them I have no idea who is even in there.
Also, all of the above mentioned factions target Kishiro just as much as Samura (except GMG), it may have been true in the past but it's not true now.
Moreover re-read my posts, I never said Kishiro should have the same bonus as Samura for Platinum mining, I said they should have at the very least the same bonus for He-3 (again, given the fact that they produce the best gas mining equipment in Sirius, which they use themselves or sell exclusively to the GMG), and Raw Hydrocarbons.
P.S: It's not the 'oh smaller faction qq' it's the fact that this issue has been addressed over a year ago, was promised to be fixed, and behold I look into it - and instead it got a hell lot worse.
Kishiro is alive, Because we are more then a faction were friends and we ride together we trade together. Anyway, GMG must always have a better drop rate then us because they are more experienced in that but no doubt kishiro needs fixing. We'll see if AD is still in charge and if not i'll contact Echo.
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