(05-24-2015, 05:04 AM)Bloxin Wrote: 1. I'm pretty sure you're joking here xD. If you are the mako, and eden is the thresher then hell, a combo of you both can be pretty deadly.
2. Talking about balance again - you have battlecruisers, something that Order does not, and I'm pretty sure that even a thresher alone could handle a geb.
Well yea, with Eden and lyth there I can drop maybe 2 before my regens are out but if the enemy has bomber support or additional caps I'm finished, I can be clever and fast about it but it's still extremely difficult, I dont mind the challenge but it sucks when you have something that deadly to fight an average bs.
The thresher lacks armor, if the Geb had razors, unless it's Eden or jayce, the thresher is finished. The BC is ok, I like it, but again, Geb w razors or cerbs= death to the BC.
(05-24-2015, 05:04 AM)Shinju Wrote: Charging with Light BS is perfect tactic... With heavies okay, but with Mako? Here is your problem.
That's the problem, there's no other way, even running and strafing results in failure, it's easy for the gebs to just side strafe and keel things.
This here makes no point if you ask me. As the geb could side strafe, so can you, after all the mako is a good side strafer. And as said already, I'm not even talking about one on one fights, but group fights. Bringing that entire new model in a group fight will get you on a OP level.
(05-24-2015, 05:04 AM)Shinju Wrote: Charging with Light BS is perfect tactic... With heavies okay, but with Mako? Here is your problem.
That's the problem, there's no other way, even running and strafing results in failure, it's easy for the gebs to just side strafe and keel things.
This here makes no point if you ask me. As the geb could side strafe, so can you, after all the mako is a good side strafer. And as said already, I'm not even talking about one on one fights, but group fights. Bringing that entire new model in a group fight will get you on a OP level.
In group fights, the Geb can TS and turn faster, it has way more armor, and it's more thin than the mako and has less vertical width than the mako, making it hard to charge even with 2 makos.
(05-24-2015, 05:04 AM)Bloxin Wrote: 1. I'm pretty sure you're joking here xD. If you are the mako, and eden is the thresher then hell, a combo of you both can be pretty deadly.
2. Talking about balance again - you have battlecruisers, something that Order does not, and I'm pretty sure that even a thresher alone could handle a geb.
Well yea, with Eden and lyth there I can drop maybe 2 before my regens are out but if the enemy has bomber support or additional caps I'm finished, I can be clever and fast about it but it's still extremely difficult, I dong mind the challenge but it sucks when you have something that deadly to fight an average bs.
EDIT: Geb is a walking target in group fights, since you don't have only battleships there and also it has the hull of a light battleship aka 800k.
Well bringing snubs in the picture is an entirely different matter and theres no point of getting those kinda fights as an example, its caps we are talking about.
Also I saw somewhere earlier, you said something about Marduk decloaking on your tail. This also can't be used as an example here as those are extreme circumstances that no one can deal with. Osiris' die to point blank decloaking marduks as well but not from a range, same counts for makos.
(05-24-2015, 05:04 AM)Bloxin Wrote: 1. I'm pretty sure you're joking here xD. If you are the mako, and eden is the thresher then hell, a combo of you both can be pretty deadly.
2. Talking about balance again - you have battlecruisers, something that Order does not, and I'm pretty sure that even a thresher alone could handle a geb.
Well yea, with Eden and lyth there I can drop maybe 2 before my regens are out but if the enemy has bomber support or additional caps I'm finished, I can be clever and fast about it but it's still extremely difficult, I dong mind the challenge but it sucks when you have something that deadly to fight an average bs.
Well bringing snubs in the picture is an entirely different matter and theres no point of getting those kinda fights as an example, its caps we are talking about.
Also I saw somewhere earlier, you said something about Marduk decloaking on your tail. This also can't be used as an example here as those are extreme circumstances that no one can deal with. Osiris' die to point blank decloaking marduks as well but not from a range, same counts for makos.
Yea I guess
Perhaps but mako is weaker and turns way slower compared to the ossie.
(05-24-2015, 05:04 AM)Shinju Wrote: Charging with Light BS is perfect tactic... With heavies okay, but with Mako? Here is your problem.
That's the problem, there's no other way, even running and strafing results in failure, it's easy for the gebs to just side strafe and keel things.
This here makes no point if you ask me. As the geb could side strafe, so can you, after all the mako is a good side strafer. And as said already, I'm not even talking about one on one fights, but group fights. Bringing that entire new model in a group fight will get you on a OP level.
In group fights, the Geb can TS and turn faster, it has way more armor, and it's more thin than the mako and has less vertical width than the mako, making it hard to charge even with 2 makos.
Geb could even TS, but its a group fight and as such, the Geb can be a walking target for threshers or battlecruisers and it also has the hull of a light battleship aka 800k.
And those group fights are my entire point, you have a mako, battlecruiser, thresher and bottlenose (the last one can be pretty useful against battleships) and now if you add this entirely new model, things will get imbalanced.
Aka:
(05-24-2015, 04:58 AM)Bloxin Wrote: The whole problem I see with this ship being a potential AP addon, is its shape and fwd gun (not to mention you already have a complete ship line). As I already said, adding something that changes the shaping that AP follows completely, will change the way of how core tactics are handled in combat, and thus ruin the whole balance.
And to be more specific - lets say you have a mako and a thresher combo against an ossie and rehseph combo, on each side you have two ships that are in a way resembling each other and this is part of the balance itself.
I haven't mentioned the Geb here on purpose, as Order has Geb, the same way Core has a battlecruiser, and this also implies on balance.
(05-24-2015, 05:08 AM)Shinju Wrote: Even with Iridium 3/4 of house corps won't supply you. Why would they do that if there are perfect and safer routes in the House spaces? Like ores.
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