bhg core feedback (just kidding this is the old core| feedback lol!)

[TheShooter36]

You're making a gross exaggeration of events. It's funny because you contradict yourself in your own statement - stating an 'instance' of a 2v3, them going on to saying fights are always a 1v3.
Whilst I'm fairly sure you're exaggerating the true numbers and circumstances of the encounter, 2 Gebs (which are awesome battleships) vs a mako (which is a terrible battleship), a thresher and a bottle is not that unfair. There may be a slight advantage on the Core, but it's nothing the Gebs can't handle after shutting down the Mako and catching the thresher on a turn. The average O'Rhu geb also tends to carry a Cloak - using those in such situations would be even more devastating.

my statement(2v3 one) was Core|'s MOST FAIR interaction(which involved restocking at capetown 2 times). Other times its 1v3+. Even i heard you guys ganked an Order| 1v6.
Also we weren't in Gebs. We were in Osirises

The 1v6 was my Ossie bud, I flew into delta and asked for that fight.

You guys log gebs more, and ossie is pretty incredible and op at the same time. We have 1 thresher vet carter, we have 2mako vets, me and thunderer.
We have no BC vets, we have 3 gb vets me Miki and jayce. Jayce logs rarely and miki often logs on both sides as well.

We really don't gank that hard. Most of the time it's nyx flash Lyth carter and I flying.
Sorry Lyth just felt like I should address this.

Punisher, i was talking about a different 1v6 (im not giving name coz of trial by forum it can be)
and that 2v3 fight was me and bloxin vs Carter + bottlenose + a mako

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[Wesker]

You're making a gross exaggeration of events. It's funny because you contradict yourself in your own statement - stating an 'instance' of a 2v3, them going on to saying fights are always a 1v3.
Whilst I'm fairly sure you're exaggerating the true numbers and circumstances of the encounter, 2 Gebs (which are awesome battleships) vs a mako (which is a terrible battleship), a thresher and a bottle is not that unfair. There may be a slight advantage on the Core, but it's nothing the Gebs can't handle after shutting down the Mako and catching the thresher on a turn. The average O'Rhu geb also tends to carry a Cloak - using those in such situations would be even more devastating.

my statement(2v3 one) was Core|'s MOST FAIR interaction(which involved restocking at capetown 2 times). Other times its 1v3+. Even i heard you guys ganked an Order| 1v6.
Also we weren't in Gebs. We were in Osirises

The 1v6 was my Ossie bud, I flew into delta and asked for that fight.

You guys log gebs more, and ossie is pretty incredible and op at the same time. We have 1 thresher vet carter, we have 2mako vets, me and thunderer.
We have no BC vets, we have 3 gb vets me Miki and jayce. Jayce logs rarely and miki often logs on both sides as well.

We really don't gank that hard. Most of the time it's nyx flash Lyth carter and I flying.
Sorry Lyth just felt like I should address this.

Punisher, i was talking about a different 1v6 (im not giving name coz of trial by forum it can be)
and that 2v3 fight was me and bloxin vs Carter + bottlenose + a mako

Well then I guess all I can say is sorry for the 1v6 bloxin told me to avoid raising Mu and I haven't gone to mu in long time until recently. As for the 3v2 that's balanced, a mako is killable by 2 bs the thresher can be given a hard time as well. (Sorry again Lyth) also for those complaining about the bottlenose, it is not unhittable, it's just the fact that your fighting the 3 gb vets I just listed.

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[TheShooter36]

thats why lyth shoudnt say "our fights are fair" Untrue
Even if numbers are same as enemy Core mostly has skill advantage (not counting their god shipline except mako and other GB)
%90 of times numbers arent same too

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[Wesker]

thats why lyth shoudnt say "our fights are fair" bullcrap

Well I mean we can't hold back people from playing the game completely, if we only logged makos than we would get made fun of for that. We log diversely for balance I've logged my snub more times than my caps now, and Im a pretty large cap fighter. Also practice practice practice, I've seen miki on a order defiant it's very possible to beat us.

You can't judge the entire faction by 2 fights, if you look at the larger picture we actually don't win a lot of our raids, sairs, you guys, and of course the OC have ganked us several times, in fact, last time we raised Mu you had us on the run back to zeta.

The last time we raised gamma 6 hessian crusiers along with a Sair snub squad ganked us.
And infamously as you saw earlier in the thread the last time we went to alpha 35 OCs logged to take us down 9 snubs and 1 bottlenose.

I could list tons of other times we've been ganked but I won't keep ranting.

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[Wesker]

Even if numbers are same as enemy Core mostly has skill advantage (not counting their god shipline except mako and other GB)
%90 of times numbers arent same too

The thresher is tank able in crusier duels, the BC is slow and very hittable, the bottlenose is very tankable, again you have veterans on their best ships your going to have a hard time.

You guys have Geb which is very very op as well as the ossie. Your gb is one for tanking and the Bastet is an amazing snub.

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[Wesker]

Since I know Lyth will rage at me, (sorry again for this), Ill close my talk here by saying we aren't immune to everything, and we do log for fair fights. We raid for fun and activity for all. I could be hunting in mu or gamma or alpha but instead I'm typing here. Please do not have this attitude, if you want duels or more fair fights I'm sure Lyth or any other member including myself would set up a balanced duel.

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[TheShooter36]

Punisher you know me better than %99 of core. I will end it here and cut that TheShooter36(known as CV-Savior) vs Core flame wars now

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[Lythrilux]

On a serious note, the BHG aswell the Core kinda seemed as 'no shoot unless they want to claim your head'. Because if you look at it, BHG and Core are doing exactly what we want (bandit)

Coalition and (BHG) Core have been hostile for a very long time. It's funny that the indie ID actually doesn't let Coalition indies shoot (not a house military) Core, but we can freely blast them. Explains why there's no raid response from indies I guess. I'd forget ID lines and let indies shoot us anyway though, makes sense from an RP perspective. You won't see me putting in petty reports.

They kill many of the Unlawfuls which we actually shoot too. But ofc if it's our ally, ye then we defend.

I'm not sure about Core though. You know Mimir it's more about propaganda, Coalition uses most of the oppurtunities for it's own benefit. Like events of Gallia invading other Houses and Houses smashing themselfs up from within is exactly a huge benefit and result of Propaganda.

Some stuff you guys don't know about the Coalition 8| all those events actually are Plus points for the Coalition. Especially Core currently (without those drunken money greedy bastards of course) are playing the Totalitariat Regiem that the Coalition was pictured as back in Sol. Because obviously back in Sol the Coalition had great power and were uberly advanced in tech and other stuff. Had a great force.

So I'm not sure if the Coalition would realy intend to shoot Core, even if the Core hunts them, they still kill most of our Foes. Allthough like I said...

Core is a different situation, true. I mean BHG ain't realy a threat to the Coalition, because they don't actively try to remove the Communist Cause.

But as I saw lately, the Core IS trying to remove everything influenced by the Coalition, so ye.

Hmm... It might work but the Core and the Coalition realy have to discuss all the details and possibilities.

Coalition has resources and territory that Core wouldn't mind taking themselves. Tbh it's not really a political threat, like how America saw Soviet Russia, but just a territorial one.

It's been more than a few times that I've been shot by 3+ core ships on freshly restarded characters. And I mean, I want that, but no one else does.

Which is why we deal with people on a case by case basis. The drone squad come to Delta? Lol, 3v3 is like a soft breeze against you guys.

I don't like how you justify yourself by saying that your ships are terrible and that of your opponents are outstanding in order to do anything to get the win.

With heavier ships, raw skill matters less and stat numbers and data become far more relevant. The Mako is outclassed by all of it's enemies. Even skilled BS captains acknowledge that it is a poor Battleship. Same goes for Orca - it's not going to stand up against an Imp. I never say that our other ships (that we use, so bar the Hammerhead and the Sea Serpent) are awful. People think the Bullhead is awful but personally I really like mine <3

It's fine to fight 2v3 or 2v10, death is irrelevant.

When did I say it was relevant? System raids are not always meant to warrant victory, just a collection of blues.

You've given me the argument of XTF members being XTF in order to pull 3v1's and 4v1's on them (for example, Achilies dueling in Alpha), which is fine, yet you've complained time and time again when the reversed situation has happened to you or your members (Skype).

Not everyone is as skilled as XTF. If you're implying all my snub pilots are very good at pvp, thank you for your compliment, but I must decline it as my snub pilots are average.

You seem not to consider the ability of the players or the ships they use when you're winning, yet you keep mentioning it whenever you act like you know isn't what people call "fair".

Defending your faction and players is only natural. Justifying eachother is what should be attempted. Being a hypocrite who always tries to come on top no matter what isn't.

Please do continue to put words in my mouth. They taste bitter though.

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[Lythrilux]

* Lythrilux breathes in

Core background lore has been adjusted after some inconsistencies were pointed out by Jammi and devs. Although as some people pointed out to me the original lore was passable and people were fretting over nothing (and until recently no one had actually commented on it having any inconsistencies heh), I can only stand for excellence. I checked the lore with devs, Jammi and BHG| too to iron out any other inconsistencies but if there are still some errors feel free to point them out and I can correct them.
Something that will tie BHG in more deeply with APM is being worked on between Core| and BHG|. It's not much to say at the moment but watch this space, we have big plans™.

Feel free to read it:

The Lore

The year was 821 A.S. The Bounty Hunters Guild Council met for one final meeting.

The Bounty Hunters Guild Core had and was growing beyond the expectations of the Council. What had started as a group of Hunters taking elite bounty hunting contracts in the Omicrons against the Outcasts and the Corsairs, had evolved into something much more. Although the Battle Of Toledo was a setback, it was a true test of their mettle and presence in the Omicrons. They had inflicted a terrible blow against The Order and showed that they were a force to be reckoned with. Although they too had losses from the battle, it was a minor setback on the greater scope of their agenda. Worthwhile recruits were quickly drawn back in, either via recruitment or by shipments of undesirables coming from the houses, under the guise that the BHG Core were the 'Protectors of Humanity' - true Paladins of Sirius, trying to protect it from the hostile threats in the Edge Worlds and establish peace by pacifying the Omicrons.

Sadly, not every seat of the council boardroom was filled that day. The Guild had lost several Guildmasters, either via being MIA or being killed under mysterious circumstances. The BHG lacked their Guildmaster as did the BHG Core, several other council members were also not present. Even the Grand Guildmaster, head of the council, had disappeared without a trace. All that remained were several of his associates, elites from both sides of the Guild and APM.

The Council had always favoured the BHG Core above the standard Bounty Hunters Guild and was the organization that took in all the funds. Whereas the BHG Core were noble Paladins simply trying to eradicate evil in their conquest, the general image of the BHG was that they were petty criminals working for the Guild simply because they had no other option. They were dragged from their prisons and thrust into the Bounty Hunting profession as part of their reformation, however this often did not make them forget their previous criminal habits.

Such an image would not fit for the agenda which The Guild Council had in mind. It wouldn't draw in more well trained recruits, it wouldn't benefit their diplomacy and it wouldn't gather support for their cause. Upon discovering, claiming and harnessing the resource known as Iridium in Omicron Delta and on Planet Nauru, combined with their export of alien materials, artifacts, weapons and technology to interested buyers, the BHG was no longer necessary to support the BHG Core. Furthermore The Core had the support of APM, as well as sympathetic Zoners and Corporations to fuel their conquest in the Edge Worlds.

And so, initiating the next phase of the plan, the Guild Council split the Bounty Hunters Guild and the Bounty Hunters Guild Core. One of the associates was appointed the new head of the BHG Core, whilst a new Guildmaster for the Bounty Hunters Guild was randomly selected from the Hunters of the BHG. The BHG Core was renamed to just simply The Core, and became its own independent Private Military Corporation with the same goals as the previous Core.

The Core realised it would need more logistical, technological and research support which they could firmly control. Subsequently AP Manufacturing, the prime supplier of vessels and equipment to the Bounty Hunters Guild and The Core, was quickly absorbed by The Core. The CEO of APM was actually one of the last remaining associates of the Guild Council and considering Alabama Shipyard was inside Omicron Rho, the home of The Core, he had no problem handing over control of AP Manufacturing to The Core. What had once before simply relied on Core for protection and would support them in their endeavours, was now fully integrated with the PMC. PMC and Corporation became one. AP Manufacturing R&D divisions became filled with Core personnel, APM would now benefit from the research conducted by Core scientists and Core would now benefit from the technological wizardry performed by APM. The Guildmaster of The Core also became the CEO of AP Manufacturing, similar to when the Grand Guildmaster became the CEO of APM, allowing him to oversee the operations of both.

This of course did not change AP Manufacturing's current Modus Operandi. The Bounty Hunters Guild had been split from The Core, but of course it could not be forgotten as it still did a service to the houses. AP Manufacturing still continued to make vessels for them, being the prime supplier of vessels to the BHG and Core. AP Manufacturing also continued to sell vessels to the Law Enforcement market, as well as for security purposes by corporations. The funds from this would go on to benefit both APM and The Core in order to help them achieve their goals.

The rumour mill in Omicron Rho continues to spin that The Core and APM are jointly conducting highly classified experiments. Rumour has it that such experiments may be possibly unethical and immoral ones into genetic modifications and other taboo practices that go past the boundary that normal scientists and researchers would not dare to take, all for the sake of being able to empower The Core further or to find the next big hit on the military market. Such rumours however are quickly discredited, as they are often the result of 'baseless' propaganda by their enemies such as The Order as a means to discredit the faction’s reputation. Few outsiders know what truly happens deep within the remote system of Omicron Rho

Finally, after the lengthy reformation process, The Core and APM were born anew. They would continue their agenda as 'Protectors Of Humanity' in the Edge Worlds, whilst also seeking conquest and to ultimately build an Empire in the Eastern part of Sirius. Today, The Core are a dominant force in the Omegas and Omicrons, shining as a beacon of hope to allies and civilians, whilst being a fearsome opponent to their enemies. AP Manufacturing functions as one of the best suppliers of military vessels to the ship and equipment market.

The year is 822 A.S. The Core High Command assembles for another monthly meeting...

The lore basically explains features such as the slow decline of BHG Core both inRPly and ooRPly, and to the point where it evolves into The Core.
Other tweaks such as BHG having shares in APM may come into play, as a means to explain the faction right more inRP. I'll see how the community reacts though. The ideas that we have lined up may work even better than that.

Inhale. Count to four. Exhale.

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[Stoner_Steve]

So two part Feedback, overall and individual

Overall: While I get your lore of "controlling" delta, your laws are terribly unspecific of what "control" means. I would like to suggest that you further subdivide your control listing to Full Control and Partial Control, mainly because while I enjoy watching the Core act like its tough as nails, y'all are picking on a Zoner outside of a Freeport, not even bothering to contend with Yaren Base, it makes me feel, personally as a player, that your group is incapable of doing anything besides pick on a group that has few options of ensuring its laws are complied with.

Individual Feedback: Core|WV-Armageddon

While I admire your ability to type clearly and quickly when you constantly add in little bits and ends to your RP when you have to wait for others it makes me feel that you aren't paying attention to anything besides what you've already decided in your head, and I don't enjoy talking to brick walls.