Rheinland Military [RM] Feedback Thread

[Havok]

Zayne, from what I heard from my men, they were facing an overwhelming number of [RHA]. I do not see a reason not to retreat if that is the case.

Please, feel free to PM me and explain the situation from your point of view so we may clear it up.

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[jammi]

Other than finding the whole thing hilarious, I'm not directly involved in this IMG/RM/VFK mess. But I am curious as to why the RM have decided to stick their oar in when the RFP would normally lead these kinds of investigations, (the RFP which also happens to be investigating at the same time). On an OORP level, the RFP would also appear to be far, far less compromised as well.

It's no real secret that the VFK are in majority RM members, and the RM 1iC even stated he was going to found them as a protest against these stupid new ID rules in the announcement thread.

I mean, I understand that there may not actually be an issue here and the perception may be wrong, but I'd say to the majority of onlookers it seems like the RM is basically masturbating with their own alts. It really would be far better for impartiality and your own faction's reputation if you were to leave the RFP to it and not be involved, honestly.

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[Sturmwind]

Hello, jammi. Thank you for your feedback.

The RM stuck their oar into this mess because the IMG specifically requested to do so. The RFP are conducting their investigation separately, but the RMHC is trying to establish contact with the RFP so that we can collaborate in making a mutual decision, so far in vain.

It should also be noted that if you read the VFK's faction info, the group's members roleplay as ex-military special forces members and officers, who preserved their good ties with the RM. As thus, members of the RM are inclined to be biased towards the faction, in addition to them taking out the trash in the Omegas, the two factions' members enjoy friendship iRP. All of this is also long-established in RP, just do a search on the names of the VFK's members.

In summary, the RM cares in roleplay what happens to the VFK. Out of roleplay, we don't, it is without a base to mix up the two.

[Jack_Henderson]

The RM stuck their oar into this mess because the IMG specifically requested to do so.

What?

The truth: [RM] logged during the Stuttgart fight and demanded a report.

Jack

[Sturmwind]

Hello, Jack. Before I reply, allow me to express how enjoyable and bountiful the RM-IMG-VFK roleplay is, in majority thanks to your contribution. Truly, I am also delighted to hear your opinion on the case outside the boundaries of roleplay.

Forgive me for bringing a wrong highlight to this issue. In the Stuttgart case, it was indeed the RM that requested a report, however a day before, you asked for our intervention when the mercs attacked, in a thread that has been deleted. Unless I really do not remember properly (if so, I ask for your understanding, since my memory is not always the best), your character also voiced the deletion of the said message iRP in the report's first post, which has since been edited out.

As thus, the IMG was the one to approach us first and this caused me to reply with the above highlighted sentence. With all the edits and deletions however, I admit that I am a bit confused.

I wish you a delightful evening.

[jammi]

Hello, jammi. Thank you for your feedback.

The RM stuck their oar into this mess because the IMG specifically requested to do so. The RFP are conducting their investigation separately, but the RMHC is trying to establish contact with the RFP so that we can collaborate in making a mutual decision, so far in vain.

It should also be noted that if you read the VFK's faction info, the group's members roleplay as ex-military special forces members and officers, who preserved their good ties with the RM. As thus, members of the RM are inclined to be biased towards the faction, in addition to them taking out the trash in the Omegas, the two factions' members enjoy friendship iRP. All of this is also long-established in RP, just do a search on the names of the VFK's members.

In summary, the RM cares in roleplay what happens to the VFK. Out of roleplay, we don't, it is without a base to mix up the two.

Hello, Sturmwind. Thank you for your response.

I won't go too far into this, but you are frankly striking me as passive-aggressively disingenuous. There's a clear disconnect between what you're saying and what you're doing - for example, you've made a point of how the RM and VFK are friendly when all the RP between them on the forum is frankly antagonistic and focused on the VFK trying to get under the investigating officer's skin.

Of course, this is ignoring the elephant in the room; if anyone other than RM members had founded a group with that background and then attempted to use it to lever favourable results out of the RM you'd have nailed them to the wall for it. That's the real issue I flagged up initially - nobody else would have got this reaction, and you're basically using the out of roleplay relationship between the two groups in order to poke the IMG in the eye with the long dick of the law.

I also hardly think that operating since the 12th of this month (when they were established as a protest group) can be considered long running roleplay. Taking part of the name of a similar but entirely separate group from two years ago does not establish a thread of continuity. I would also love to search the names of the members, but you've forgotten to include a roster on the VFK's faction page. They also refuse allow feedback, so what can you do?

I wish you an enchanting morning.

[Sturmwind]

Welcome back, jammi. I am glad to see you were concerned enough with the actions of the VFK that you were able to conclude that the group is involved with the RM ooRP, I am somewhat surprised that you were for some reason unable to do the same research into the group's iRP background. Allow me to fill in the missing part of your research:

This is the original review of the Valkyrie Squadron. If you read the same document on the current form of the Valkyrie Squadron, specifically the history part, you will see that this is where the group originates from. The Valkyrie Squadron has been running for years.

Currently (as also pointed out in the history thread), not all VFK members are former Rheinwehr members, Jonas Krieger, the person responding to both the RFP and the RM is for example, a former outlaw. He is not among those, who iRP are related to the Rheinwehr, yet many of the VFK are. Since the members would obviously like to stay anonymous (which is why they are using an alt account), I do not think it would be appropriate to ask for a roster, I can only say that Jonas Krieger is not my character (sssh: With a little research, you can actually conjure up a roster yourself).

Also, if someone can iRP justify a relationship that might also exist ooRP, why is that a problematic issue as long as the two can be kept separate? As I said, I don't care at all, what happens to the VFK, as long as it is justified iRP, thus hinting at ooRP bias is baseless.

Have a good appetite, if you're having lunch!

[SpaceTime]

Well apparently Havok made a very questionable post. I'd highly advise him to retract that post.

Unless of course you really intend to roleplay the [RM] as a separate entity from the rest of Rheinland which does not answer to the government. That would indeed be a very interesting twist of events.

[Ryummel]

Well apparently Havok made a very questionable post. I'd highly advise him to retract that post.

Unless of course you really intend to roleplay the [RM] as a separate entity from the rest of Rheinland which does not answer to the government. That would indeed be a very interesting twist of events.

Do you represent any of the current Rheinland official factions?

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