In regards to this I seriously think some in game infocards need altering to be with accordance to what has been written on forum. Its blatantly wrong to have discrepancies between game and forum, especially when it comes to rules.
I can agree on that, because it is clearly stated in the server rules that in case of the complications, ID (according to which Nagano is Taus) overrides the server rules (in which Nagano is Kusari).
Devs, you had like two years (or more) to fix that. You did not.
(06-22-2015, 11:46 AM)Fluffyball Wrote: I can agree on that, because it is clearly stated in the server rules that in case of the complications, ID (according to which Nagano is Taus) overrides the server rules (in which Nagano is Kusari).
Devs, you had like two years (or more) to fix that. You did not.
Actually I think the difference happened after last system classification revision which is quite fresh. Also devs have ton of work so few not updated infocards are minor issue I think.
Anyway, ingame inforcard is not on same level as ID so it doesn´t override the rules. However what happened is unfortunate, it´s understandable that sanctioned player is unhappy about it.
That's not a fresh change. Nagano has been Kusari for at least two years, because this is when I have joined Discovery. But the infocard hasn't been updated for all these two years.
I had the very same problems when I started to pirate in Nagano as a Bretonian Privateer.
The funniest thing right now is the Kusari Exile ID, which has Taus in their ZOI, but since Nagano is not Tau BW rulewise, Rishiri is disconnected from rest of the ZOI.
(06-22-2015, 11:46 AM)Fluffyball Wrote: I can agree on that, because it is clearly stated in the server rules that in case of the complications, ID (according to which Nagano is Taus) overrides the server rules (in which Nagano is Kusari).
Devs, you had like two years (or more) to fix that. You did not.
A system description infocard is not an ID - it does not take precedent over server rules. System Territory labels may be thematic representations of the system in question, but they have not been used to delineate ZoI ever since ZoI regions were explicitly listed in the server rules.
(06-22-2015, 11:46 AM)Fluffyball Wrote: I can agree on that, because it is clearly stated in the server rules that in case of the complications, ID (according to which Nagano is Taus) overrides the server rules (in which Nagano is Kusari).
Devs, you had like two years (or more) to fix that. You did not.
A system description infocard is not an ID - it does not take precedent over server rules. System Territory labels may be thematic representations of the system in question, but they have not been used to delineate ZoI ever since ZoI regions were explicitly listed in the server rules.
If thematic representations are going to contradict explicit ZoI regions, they should not exist. These infocards need to be brought in line with the rules immediately, as they only create confusion.
(06-22-2015, 11:46 AM)Fluffyball Wrote: I can agree on that, because it is clearly stated in the server rules that in case of the complications, ID (according to which Nagano is Taus) overrides the server rules (in which Nagano is Kusari).
Devs, you had like two years (or more) to fix that. You did not.
A system description infocard is not an ID - it does not take precedent over server rules. System Territory labels may be thematic representations of the system in question, but they have not been used to delineate ZoI ever since ZoI regions were explicitly listed in the server rules.
(06-22-2015, 02:56 PM)Mephistoles Wrote: If thematic representations are going to contradict explicit ZoI regions, they should not exist. These infocards need to be brought in line with the rules immediately, as they only create confusion.
You still had a lot of time to rewrite infocards, what you did not. Infocards should contain info regarding rulewise affiliation, not background sectoring, what obviously lead into conflicts and confusion among the players. Meph made a point here that conflict between infocards and system listing should not exist.
Especially if an error hasn't been done by the player that would be all but newbie. The error has been done by a veteran player. Or make it three veteran players, because:
Quote:[28 stycznia 2015 18:15] Michał Golański: Nagano is Tau, rules wise
Quote:[30 lipca 2014 16:09] Rohj Teerin (Jeremy): Though I think Tottori, Rishiri, and Nagano are for some reason considered Taus
By making out Nagano part of Kusari, you made Rishiri a Tau System disconnected from rest of the Tau Systems, impacting every ID that has Tau written into their ZOI, creating a precedense in which Nagano creates an artificial (and silly) hole in the ZOI. While it's not goal of my post - I still find it silly.
I mean, I find it pretty lazy to update Bretonian infocards to label them as "Occupied", yet no one felt an urge to correct infocards in Kusari, as if devs did not care about Kusari anyway (and let it rot, perhaps?)
(06-22-2015, 05:20 PM)Fluffyball Wrote: You still had a lot of time to rewrite infocards, what you did not. Infocards should contain info regarding rulewise affiliation, not background sectoring, what obviously lead into conflicts and confusion among the players. Meph made a point here that conflict between infocards and system listing should not exist.
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By making out Nagano part of Kusari, you made Rishiri a Tau System disconnected from rest of the Tau Systems, impacting every ID that has Tau written into their ZOI, creating a precedense in which Nagano creates an artificial (and silly) hole in the ZOI. While it's not goal of my post - I still find it silly.
I mean, I find it pretty lazy to update Bretonian infocards to label them as "Occupied", yet no one felt an urge to correct infocards in Kusari, as if devs did not care about Kusari anyway (and let it rot, perhaps?)
How about joining the devteam and help them with stuff that bothers you instead of whinning about lazy biased devs on forums? I can imagine there is a lot more important things to solve than some outdated infocards.
Go and be infocard specialist if you think it´s so easy to track all the changes and implement them properly. You whine it´s there for two years but did anybody report it during those two years for example? Because if not, how can devs know this was overlooked?
No one saw this as a bug (and thus it hasn't been reported as one) before that specific sanction highlighted the fact that there are discrepancies between the stuff on the forum and the infocards. To me, that's a bit harsh - rather than using this knowledge to crack down on a player, I think it should have been used as an opportunity to either correct the infocards or open a discussion regarding discrepancies between forum and in-game assets.
Don't shoot the messenger, Toris and Meph are right.
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