Comm ID: Captain, Ben Laowai, Corsair Cruiser Xibanya Nuren.
Any Corsair firing upon another corsair is an honourless whelp and deserves the full arm of the law. That being said, this bickering, while our enemies multiply and surround us is reckless and irresponsible. Continue this way and we will be picked apart and divided like the rotten carcase that this kind of talk makes us sound like.
Deal with the issue and then focus at the more pressing one's at hand. For heavens sake you are Corsairs!
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Comm ID: Juan Montoya
To: Carlos Benitez
Ah well, I thought Ivan would respond to you in good time, but that appears not to be the case.
What I know about the situation is limited, so your best bet is for Ivan or your brother Zavier (whom I assume Ivan has already spoken to about the matter) to give you the information. The Elders are not in a position to judge what happened as we have barely any of the facts.
But, what would you do if someone you didn't know insulted your wife? You'd be pretty peeved, am I right? I know I would be.
I would trawl through the rest of the facts that I know, but they may be incomplete so I shall refrain from doing so.
the other day i logged on and i found Hessians invading gamma again, we killed a few the rest retreated apart from 1 of them, Ivans wife was already attacking him, so i went over to assist The next thing i know she turns around and says DONT ATTACK HIM YOU GREEDY CORSAIR GUNBOAT PILOT! (it was like she was protecting him...) i say silence, then she says do you want to die? i says pft what ever, thinking nothing of it concentrating my fire upon the hessian vessel, the next thing i know i have Ivans wife leave the hessian and attacking me, so i return fire and next thing i know Ivan attacks me aswell, letting the hessian escape, and eventually destroying my ship.
if this isnt an act of dishonour i dont know what is.
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// OOC: ok theres no good way for me to do this in char, so I am going *ugh* OOC. first cosmos, are you so in need of PVP, that when someone is involved in combat, and asks you not to get involved, you have to ignore their wishes so you can get you're PVP? I would say it is dishonorable to ignore a request from a fellow Corsair, Ivan and Sonja obviously felt like they had the situation under control, why is it you felt this wasn't good enough for you. I happen to know Ivan and Sonja are about honor, and even odds. I guess they didn't feel like it was playing far for a THIRD ship (a Cap ship at that ) to jump into the fight. What I don't understand is why you are surprised that Ivan attacked you when you returned fire on Sonja, no matter what if someone attacked my wife, they'd be done. I don't know what you expected, that you could just not listen to the people who were already fighting, and take over it yourself. You seem to feel you had no reason to listen to a request from 2 of your allies, which in my mind makes you not really an ally, so all I can really say is if I was there and asked you to stay out of combat, that I had it under control, and then you insulted me, I would probably have blown you out of the sky too. Try to take some time to look at if from their point of view, maybe they were RPing something out, but you decided not to wait to find out what was going on, instead you decided to bust up a fair fight by rolling in guns blazing without knowing all the facts, and there in my opinion got what you desirve.//// End OOC
Comm ID: Ivan Voronov
To: Eagle_One, Luis and Carlos Benitez
For starters, Carlos try using a bit of common sense. Do you honestly think I'd fire on a Corsair without motive? You should be smart enough to know you don't have the whole story, but excuse me for giving undue credit. I'm under the impression you want some kind of hostilities if you aren't willing to think things through.
That so called hessian was actually out of range when we broke off. Also if that pilot wanted to live he wouldn't have laughed when he was threatened to be fixed, believe me an incompetent gunboat pilot doesn't survive two fighters. Also call me all the scum you want, but if you really think I was wrong for aiding my wife, then I have doubts about your loyalty, and believe me I'd rather not trust me life to someone who can turn on me in the blink of an eye.
Also, if this operative is so young, do you really believe he has the mindset to decide actions for an entire fleet? Let's be realistic here, can the Benitez even handle a war, over flooded with new recruits, and food supplies running low as usual for everyone? I don't think so.
As for you; Luis and Eagle_One, cousins I believe you are. You should really be quiet and stay unnoticed, At this rate my wife would kill you before Carlos Benitez himself, not to mention I'm not all that interested in restraining her. Before suggesting military action, make sure you don't publicly announce your desire to join that hessian you "were stopped from killing."
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To: Ivan Voronov, RE: Brotherhood Command
Comm ID: Commandante Don Carlos Benitez
Source: Myrtos Villa (Benitez HQ), Planet Crete
Senor Voronov, I'd reccomend you stop hurling unfounded accusations in the interest of continued prosperity of the Brotherhood.
Quote:Senors, I am writing in regard to an incident that took place recently. As far as I am aware, one of my young operatives was fired upon by two of your pack.
The version of events laid out to me places Mr. and Mrs. Voronov in space as a Hessian ship approached Gamma. My young operative explains that the pair demanded he not fire upon or otherwise hassle the clearly hostile incoming ship. Assumably omitting some details, the operative's private vessel was then destroyed by the Brotherhood ships.
I would firstly state categorically that I intend to pursue this matter thoroughly regardless of the fact that the operative in question is both young, inexperienced, and perhaps a little unaware of his place. I would like to expect Brotherhood co-operation with this, and Brotherhood assistance with settling the matter.
If possible, I would like to be sent FULL AND DETAILED accounts from all parties regarding their perspective of the incident.
Co-operation is a two-way process, and you should be made aware that a number of my family are so enraged by what has happened that they are pressuring for military action to be taken. Continued co-operation from the Benitez family hangs in the balance, and will be effected greatly by the Brotherhood's co-operation in this enquiry. Whilst we are not threatening war, be warned that the individual members of my family may not feel motivated to assist you in the War of Theta if the Brotherhood do not commit to seeking an explanation to why a Corsair vessel was destroyed by Brotherhood members without the council's approval. If this is the decision that they take as a result, it is against my own code of ethics to order them to back down.
I fail to see at any point that I made judgement or accused individuals of dishonour. I asked for detailed and full accounts of the incident, as is my right.
You are not of our blood, Voronov, and you presume too much about the level of respect or tolerance which our people have for you. Unfounded accusations towards an Elder, and now threats upon the safety of the aforementioned Elder. Weather firing upon Eagle-One, a Corsair, was or was not honourable, here we see you threatening the life of an Elder of Crete.
You speak of loyalty. Let me state plainly that the loyalty I have to the Brotherhood, you and your wife is no more or less than the loyalty I have to each and every independent Corsair ship. Furthermore, if I ever receive a report regarding the destruction of a Corsair ship that may have been unlawful and took place without the council's approval, I will pursue the truth of the matter regardless of my own opinions.
Too long have I dealt with the likes of you. Years ago, attacks upon my honour would have seen you bombarded by a tirade of retaliatory bile, but time is moving on, and you're going to have to try a bit harder to provoke an alliance-shattering response.
I must say, however, that it's rich, you accusing me of being disloyal.
Like you, I'd rather not trust me life to someone who can turn on me in the blink of an eye. But let's examine that point for a moment, shall we? Which one of us has a history of defecting from the side we chose?
A suggestion Voronov; you should remember that this is not the Coalition Revolutionary Army. You need to consider the fact that your statements represent your brotherhood, and also need to consider that given your current position, you need to keep what you say to what might be coined "your superiors" in check. This includes making an effort to resist making death threats. There are those amongst us that are still not entirely convinced by your apparent loyalty to the Corsair nation and denunciation of the SCRA. Your current conduct is not helping.
Brotherhood. Every time you allow behaviour such as this to be directed towards me or my family, the loyalty of the individuals in my family to your doctrine weakens. Rest assured that if things do not improve, the time will come when our ships will gather on Crete, and the people will be given a choice of whom they trust to serve their best interests, before we leave the bickering and disrespect behind. The Thira project in orbit of Santorini is progressing faster than ever before. Heal the wounds.
Elders, this is my report on the investigation into the incident between Eagle One, and Ivan and Sonja Voronov. Ivan Voronov, is a Centurion of The Brotherhood, Eagle One was given a legitimate order to dis-engage by a senior officer of the Brotherhood, he choose to disobey this order, and commit the crime of insubordination, a crime which by the way, carries a penalty of death, so this pilot is fairly lucky he is alive. This determination I have come to in my investigation of the incident, and is the my report to the Elders of The Brotherhood, and you Carlos Benitez Don of Familia Benitez.
Centurion Miguel Sephardi
The Brotherhood, Crete
Personal Notes- Not for the official record
On a personal note, Carlos, I don't think you would be to please is it was Brother Zavier who order a ship to dis-engage just to be ignored and laughed at by some insolent young pilot, and just as you advise Ivan to watch his position and look at yours as an Elder when speaking to you, I would say your pilot in this incident should have followed the advise you give Ivan, if he had, none of this would be happening. As to your questioning of Ivan's loyalties, I am quite personally offended by this, Ivan and I have flown together more times then I could possibly count, and he has saved my life more often then I care to remember, and as I recall Carlos, Ivan was the one to come to your aid when you picked up that nickname of yours. Also, I would like to point out that, again, on a personal level, I am offended by the suggestion of such great loyalty you have to the Brotherhood, when it was Your Familia hermano that choose to leave Gamma for Yaren when you were denied equal representation on the council, a flight that many think, correctly or not, was meant to make a statement, and many believe, again correctly or not, that the following attack by the Nova's was ignored by your Familia. So before you go questioning peoples loyalty around here, make sure your Familia doesn't have incidents in it's past that might lead people to the same conclusion about you.
I have a point of order I would like to raise that whilst not directly relating to the recent incident that has been occupying so much bandwidth, is at least associated.
The question to which I would like an answer is that Senor Sephardi seems to have suggested that Independant Corsairs are required to follow the orders of the TBH (in this instance - the main families by default). Is this correct?
I accept that all Corsairs should follow the orders given to them by the Council in the form of an edict, or an Elder of the Corsair Council, but should they follow the orders of a member of one of the military factions?
To my mind if a member of one of the aforesaid factions does not follow an order given to them by a senior officer from within that faction then that is entirely a matter for the Factions to deal with as they see fit. However, as an Independant why should I accept their orders? I will risk my life and my ship when and how I see fit in the defence of my family and friends.
Re: Findings of incident investigation
Elders, this is my report on the investigation into the incident between Eagle One, and Ivan and Sonja Voronov. Ivan Voronov, is a Centurion of The Brotherhood, Eagle One was given a legitimate order to dis-engage by a senior officer of the Brotherhood, he choose to disobey this order, and commit the crime of insubordination, a crime which by the way, carries a penalty of death, so this pilot is fairly lucky he is alive. This determination I have come to in my investigation of the incident, and is the my report to the Elders of The Brotherhood, and you Carlos Benitez Don of Familia Benitez.
Centurion Miguel Sephardi
The Brotherhood, Crete Personal Notes- Not for the official record
On a personal note, Carlos, I don't think you would be to please is it was Brother Zavier who order a ship to dis-engage just to be ignored and laughed at by some insolent young pilot, and just as you advise Ivan to watch his position and look at yours as an Elder when speaking to you, I would say your pilot in this incident should have followed the advise you give Ivan, if he had, none of this would be happening. As to your questioning of Ivan's loyalties, I am quite personally offended by this, Ivan and I have flown together more times then I could possibly count, and he has saved my life more often then I care to remember, and as I recall Carlos, Ivan was the one to come to your aid when you picked up that nickname of yours. Also, I would like to point out that, again, on a personal level, I am offended by the suggestion of such great loyalty you have to the Brotherhood, when it was Your Familia hermano that choose to leave Gamma for Yaren when you were denied equal representation on the council, a flight that many think, correctly or not, was meant to make a statement, and many believe, again correctly or not, that the following attack by the Nova's was ignored by your Familia. So before you go questioning peoples loyalty around here, make sure your Familia doesn't have incidents in it's past that might lead people to the same conclusion about you.
To: Miguel Sephardi
Comm ID: Commandante of Benitez Forces, Don Carlos Benitez
Source: Myrtos Villa (Benitez HQ), Planet Crete
My findings, announced previous to your declaration (on our family's private channel) match your own.
However, I would not tolerate such conduct as has been displayed on this channel by any of my members. Directing death threats toward a superior officer and delegate of an allied force is simply unacceptable.
Comments questioning Senor Voronov's loyalty came in retaliation to unprovoked deformation of character directed towards my self (and not forgetting the death threats).
You also recall incorrectly that Senor Voronov has ever been other than a thorn in the side of our familia, acting as one of the primary antagonists in the Cretan Embargo of 813 A.S. which saw TBH place their unwavering loyalty with the Coalition Revolutionary Army rather than with their own flesh and blood; my family.
My comments about loyalty where intended to justify the implied assertion that he who is free of sin should cast the first stone.
Aside, I will for hopefully the last time explain the actions of my forces during that incident for those who still hold the ignorant view that we abandoned the people due to a power trip. After continued ignorant refusal by the Brotherhood to dismantle their autocracy, our forces regrouped at Omega-5. Our forces then moved to Omicron Alpha in a retaliatory attack while Outcast forces where pre-occupied in Gamma. Still made to feel unwelcome by the Brotherhood dictatorship, we based our operation out of Yaren for a number of weeks before returning to Crete to work in silent independent defence separate of the Brotherhood autocracy.
A lifetime later, after a month in a coma and gradual re-acquisition of my memory, I still stand by my actions of that time, and maintain that there are aspects of the Council that are fundamentally unfair. The re-emergence of the Omega Pirates Guild has lessened the severity of the constitutional injustice.
If a Benitez member had spoken to a member of the Brotherhood in such a way as I have been spoken to by Senor. Voronov, disiplinary action would have been taken. We've known for a long time that the Brotherhood don't give a damn about their allies, and the evidence just mounts.
Au contraire my friend, who was it that left Omicron Gamma in protest at the lack of power you were given when enemies were banging at the gates? Thats not so much a death threat as a condemnation of all your brothers, not just the Brotherhood itself, correct?
What if we had fallen? You would have returned to a burning Crete, your houses destroyed. Whats more important, defending your home or attacking someone elses at your home's expense?
The constitutional injustice that you claim exists as a massive gulf between us is as good as nil. Despite the fact that your family has only one representative (which, need I remind you, has always been the case to prevent a single family gaining weight), we take your views seriously all of the time. Every time you posture that the council is illegal or other nonsense like that, you lessen your own standing within it. Hence, the gulf grows wider through your own fault, not ours.
And by rights, dictatorships do not let competition gain a footing, am I correct? In that case, why was it specifically me that endorsed the Benitez as a group in days long past? You are starting to make me think that I made the wrong decision. At the time, I was overjoyed that the Benitez were forming into a military group, but as you seek to gain more and more power for yourselves with little regard for the rest of us, the time is approaching where you will again need to be put in your place and held down with a straight jacket.
As is what happened when you took your family to Yaren base. You realized we care little as to what you think, when you are wrong. We also let you go for two other reasons. It showed how childish you can be when you aren't given something you want (as a child is when he doesn't get a toy), and it shows other Corsairs who really cares about Crete and the people who reside within. We wont beg to you to return, we will let you make your own decision, which you did.
We do give a lot of consideration and respect to our allies that give it to us in return. What I've seen from you in particular Carlos, is a continuing lack of those two qualities when we have given ample to you. So now, we give you less and less. But, admittedly, I differentiate highly between you and Zavier, whom I personally hold is a lot more fitting for the position you currently hold, as he is not motivated by petty desires to become more "noticed" among the Corsairs.
I am sick of having to deal with your unending pleas for power and superiority. What I just said just shows how sick I am of it. I am also sick of your insolence in calling the Brotherhood "ignorant" whilst demanding that we prosecute Ivan for disrespectfulness towards yourself. Hypocrisy, I do not tolerate. And tolerant I have been when dealing with you.
You will not use this incident to posture for more power.
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