Zoners - why they do exist?

[Lythrilux]

A big problem I've found with quasi lawfuls in general is that they try to be more relevant than they actually are. This causes them to take a very unrealistic approach to diplomacy.

That irony.

Noted. (For the next time Core thinks it's Sirius Police.)

I'm sorry that only the CW operated the way you wanted them to. Who was in charge of that? Ed? I can barely remember what factions he was in.

Would you rather have it that I declare Sirius wide Zoner Jihad? Because many times I've come very close due to the way diplomacy has progressed (in the vein bad of bad examples I mentioned earlier). I'm under no obligation to heed the ham-fisted demands of Zoners, as much as you might believe I need to :}

And I mean it's not just me who thinks CW are the best attempt at Zoners we've had in the past several years. Ask most people and they'll think the same. Even if you barely remember who he was, he still had a better grip on Zoner RP than you do. I think TAZ are alright but CW were better at hitting the nail on the head. OSI... doesn't really seem that Zonery.

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[Enkidu]

And I mean it's not just me who thinks CW are the best attempt at Zoners we've had in the past several years. Ask most people and they'll think the same. Even if you barely remember who he was, he'll still have a better grip on Zoner RP than you do - which appears evident here. I think TAZ are alright but CW were better at hitting the nail on the head. OSI... doesn't really seem that Zonery.

If people -want- it back, I will start it up again. I have all the RP and characters saved. I'm serious. If 10 people say they want to do it, for realsies, and are prepared to do CW grade roleplay, we'll motherfkin' make it happen.

And this time without Ed. He was an irreverent, self-gussying turd.

Signed: Achille.

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[n00bl3t]

A big problem I've found with quasi lawfuls in general is that they try to be more relevant than they actually are. This causes them to take a very unrealistic approach to diplomacy.

That irony.

Noted. (For the next time Core thinks it's Sirius Police.)

I'm sorry that only the CW operated the way you wanted them to. Who was in charge of that? Ed? I can barely remember what factions he was in.

Would you rather have it that I declare Sirius wide Zoner Jihad? Because many times I've come very close due to the way diplomacy has progressed (in the vein bad of bad examples I mentioned earlier). I'm under no obligation to heed the ham-fisted demands of Zoners, as much as you might believe I need to :}

And I mean it's not just me who thinks CW are the best attempt at Zoners we've had in the past several years. Ask most people and they'll think the same. Even if you barely remember who he was, he still had a better grip on Zoner RP than you do. I think TAZ are alright but CW were better at hitting the nail on the head. OSI... doesn't really seem that Zonery.

If you could, you would. Roleplay about supply lines means nothing to someone who wants to powergame out of their faction limitations with a trade convoy screenshot here and there.

Last I checked, Zoners sit still and generally do nothing much until someone brings a fight in and then someone else like the Core comes and makes demands. Rebuffing a demand is not a demand.

Yeah, I don't know much about Zoner RP or lore. (Is anyone else having a giggle at this?)

[Doria]

I loled. Can't even use the word jihad properly...

By the way, about CW: I was in it. It's better dead.

[Thyrzul]

CW were better

Better? The best I can recall from the past few years.

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[Stoner_Steve]

This thread has turned into a circle jerk, reminiscing about the past isn't going to fix your supposed current problem with zoner rp

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[Enkidu]

I loled. Can't even use the word jihad properly...

By the way, about CW: I was in it. It's better dead.

Point taken.

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[Thyrzul]

This thread has turned into a circle jerk, reminiscing about the past isn't going to fix your supposed current problem with zoner rp

I was hoping that pointing out an example I find to suit Zoner RP best would also be seen as a subtle suggestion on which direction to improve general Zoner Roleplay, you know, as a possible fix to "supposed current problem with zoner rp".

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[The Savage]

As an OP, I request closing this thread or simply erase posts with ooRP rage and off-topic things.

[Lythrilux]

A big problem I've found with quasi lawfuls in general is that they try to be more relevant than they actually are. This causes them to take a very unrealistic approach to diplomacy.

That irony.

Noted. (For the next time Core thinks it's Sirius Police.)

I'm sorry that only the CW operated the way you wanted them to. Who was in charge of that? Ed? I can barely remember what factions he was in.

Would you rather have it that I declare Sirius wide Zoner Jihad? Because many times I've come very close due to the way diplomacy has progressed (in the vein bad of bad examples I mentioned earlier). I'm under no obligation to heed the ham-fisted demands of Zoners, as much as you might believe I need to :}

And I mean it's not just me who thinks CW are the best attempt at Zoners we've had in the past several years. Ask most people and they'll think the same. Even if you barely remember who he was, he still had a better grip on Zoner RP than you do. I think TAZ are alright but CW were better at hitting the nail on the head. OSI... doesn't really seem that Zonery.

If you could, you would. Roleplay about supply lines means nothing to someone who wants to powergame out of their faction limitations with a trade convoy screenshot here and there.

Last I checked, Zoners sit still and generally do nothing much until someone brings a fight in and then someone else like the Core comes and makes demands. Rebuffing a demand is not a demand.

Yeah, I don't know much about Zoner RP or lore. (Is anyone else having a giggle at this?)

And you're displaying the attributes of the problem. Core is not Order (or Corsairs etc.). We do not need to beg Zoners for supplies and get extremely worried when those supply lines are threatened because our diplomacy hasn't limited us to a very small pool of potential suppliers. In fact an important aspect of our RP directly conflicts with Zoner ideologies (establishing a government in house free space, although the impact of that dynamic is kind of reduced when the Zoners have decided to conflict their own beliefs and create Gran Can in 49). And even on the subject on screenshot there's more roleplay to support being supplied from non-zoners than there is from Zoners (shout out to our Junker allies). There's nothing on our infocard to suggest any important ties to Zoners either. They simply seen as civilians.

As sone constructive critism perhaps Zoners should start treating factions on a case by case basis, rather than blindly charging in with a stock fr5 template.

Indeed Zoners do sit still sometimes, but often they try to force themselves into environmental politics that do not concern them as much as they'd think - nor is their influence or relevance as big as their "I'M A ZONER FEAR ME" mindset.

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