Why traders don't pay?

[The Savage]

What is this now? Noob pirate guide? Don't we have a section for tutorials?

It's a reply to:

Well yes, nobody told that the trader can't run. But if you run away, or try to , that means you accept the consequences.

My un-edited post was me stating about that halting vessel is not a demand, but then I found it out a slight change in rules I've been not aware of, even though I've been pirating for 4 years. I still remember that a few players got sanctioned for "not dropping a demand", after they destroyed a vessel which failed to stop after multiple warnings.

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@jammi
Thanks for explanation, because I've I stated above: I know there are some players which got sanctioned for killing a vessel that refused to stop. That's why I poked up that concern.

[Doria]

It's not that difficult, actually. A demand needs to be made, but halt or stop is not considered one.

So, you must ask something for the guy, or state a RP reason why they should stop. like police: "This is the law. Please stop for inspection." That is a proper demand. Stop to be inspected. Not just stop.

Players that get sanctioned for not making a demand after warning a vessel multiple times is because repeating stop multiple times is not a demand.
"Stop!" "Cut your engines now!" "Hey, I said stop!" - no demand there.
"Stop, now gringo! These are the Corsairs! Are you carrying any food, amigo?" - you made a demand there, besides telling the guy to stop. You made clear you are interested in something.

[Ayman]

i cant blame someone that he doesn't speak my language very well its not his mother tongue so its normal i would support him.

There's one small problem: this is a roleplaying server and English is not optional here - it is obligatory.

i think balance is the key i will do the math 5k cargo we buy the ore for 3000 total of 15.000.000 you sell it on average of 9000 a unit total of 45,000,000 so net would be 45-15= 30 mil. so the trader jump average of 6 systems that takes time and go all the way and the pirate stay where he is not moving and the pirate take 20mil and the trader 10mil after all ? really ?

No serious pirate takes more than 5 millions (myself I ask for around 1-2M or even 3M, rarely 4M), except if cargo is ore, as its giving around 60 million credits on just one run, so asking e.g. 8-10 million in such a case only is quite understandable. Also, take into account that waiting in one spot can be pretty boring. They don't also sit on gates, because of the tradelane bug.

Both sides have bad people inside: silent and quite uncooperative traders and scumbag 10M or trigger-happy pirates. And I can say as a trader and pirate - thankfully, I'm neither of those.

I agree if the person doesn't speak English at all then it doesn't make seance since its a RP server. but since you understood what i was saying and you even responded to it then i see no problem. but still do not expect native English because simply we are not from English speaking country.

and yes asking for 5 mil up to 10 if its ore is acceptable and reasonable i agree 100%

By the way i do not even remember when was the last time i was trading long runs all the trade i do is to get stuff for the base or mining other than that i jump in escort fighter and i join them which rarely happen as i am lazy to fix the rep of my fighters lol. because simply i am sick of trading

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[Exploration]

To be honest it's not very often i actually pay the pirate whenever i'm stopped unless i see the degree of roleplay acceptable. I.e "Ooooh. You have ore, gimme two millions or be turned to space dust.." - No. I fly around an armoured Bison. I will just open fire seeing as how i have a pretty good shot at killing a lone pirate. However supposing the roleplay is actually commendable, actually one time i recall being pirated by a Junker, this then turned into something else where the Junker asked to be hired to escort me, THIS i would happily give the person 5M just for putting the effort in. Call me picky but i'm trying to encourage some depth around here.

[Wesker]

First when I joined the server, pirates were nice at all time, they were asking for 2-5 Millions maximum and we enjoy RP too, but later some people here don't use pirate RP for fun, they use it to stuck trade routes, for example I met some pirates on O-3 they always ask for 20M or die? be logical, I run on 7 systems two ways to earn 50 Millions how can I give you 20M for just RP 10 minutes on pirate ship? and If I met the same pirate on both my ways he will take 40M profit? is that logic? then I will start to run a pirate ships too why should I play for an hour on trade routes if I can make more profit in just 10 minutes? or they ask to drop the ore? and take it then sell it with another cargo ships? so if you want to trade be trader and leave pirate then, I guess this is not a RP of pirate to stuck the trading routes, if you are asking why traders run? because pirates don't RP for fun at all. Thanks!

Lol

Pirate RP is robbing traders/blowing them up etc.

I have fun blowing up BMF hegemons in my Molly for example (:

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[Sirius.News]

Here's my take on this. Most of the pirates RP just fine and they're not inconsiderate at all. The purpose of some faction is to disrupt trade routes, ask for money, ... I even had pirates giving me the choice of how much I wanted to pay and it was always enough.
BUT:
There is a new tendency in the server and I've seen this several times now. It's a group of 3 to 4 people sitting in a system and they're not pirates or anything, it seems that they made up those chars for whatever purpose. One time I saw a Outcast IFF in an outcast cruiser accompanied by 2 freelancers trying to rob people. Seen another group mixed out of Junkers and Freelancers robbing people, and they're not just explaining their cause, since they don't have one - hence Junkers/Freelancers - and the Junkers running around in Kusari too. I believe this is just to annoy folks and has nothing to do with RP in my opinion since RP is NOT: GIVE ME MONEY OR DIE. There should be a reason for give me money.
Those groups using Freelancers usually have one IFF which is allowed to pirate, so they are not directly involved in it. Means it's just a way around the rules. Same thing applies to K'Hara and A/) grouped in a system, what's that all about???

So the conclusion is: RP server my a.. - Everybody does whatever they want and get away with it because it's still within the rules. So why have an RP server if such a behaviour kills role play in the long run. No surprise that the server gets less and less attention. I remember when 200 people played on the weekends.

And this is not raving, it's the facts about what's happening mainly in regards to pirating.

On the other hand I had pirates with a really cool role play, unfortunately that's the exception.

--Report by: Sirius News--

[Swifty]

this thread is golden

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[Ayman]

Here's my take on this. Most of the pirates RP just fine and they're not inconsiderate at all. The purpose of some faction is to disrupt trade routes, ask for money, ... I even had pirates giving me the choice of how much I wanted to pay and it was always enough.
BUT:
There is a new tendency in the server and I've seen this several times now. It's a group of 3 to 4 people sitting in a system and they're not pirates or anything, it seems that they made up those chars for whatever purpose. One time I saw a Outcast IFF in an outcast cruiser accompanied by 2 freelancers trying to rob people. Seen another group mixed out of Junkers and Freelancers robbing people, and they're not just explaining their cause, since they don't have one - hence Junkers/Freelancers - and the Junkers running around in Kusari too. I believe this is just to annoy folks and has nothing to do with RP in my opinion since RP is NOT: GIVE ME MONEY OR DIE. There should be a reason for give me money.
Those groups using Freelancers usually have one IFF which is allowed to pirate, so they are not directly involved in it. Means it's just a way around the rules. Same thing applies to K'Hara and A/) grouped in a system, what's that all about???

So the conclusion is: RP server my a.. - Everybody does whatever they want and get away with it because it's still within the rules. So why have an RP server if such a behaviour kills role play in the long run. No surprise that the server gets less and less attention. I remember when 200 people played on the weekends.

And this is not raving, it's the facts about what's happening mainly in regards to pirating.

On the other hand I had pirates with a really cool role play, unfortunately that's the exception.

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I am very glad you addressed that since i did not want to mention names or groups because my intention is not to argue or to make any problems. also i am not the kind who would screen and document everything and go cry and report it. not me sorry. but since you addressed it....

I hated when i met a pirate who demand only all the cargo no money nothing. and this is for a reason. the guy acting smart and he have a freelancer/Junker with him with a cargo ship so its so clear he demand all the cargo or die. he doesn't have enough cargo space to take what he demand so its clear the other freelancer who pretend to be waiting for the bus in the space and singing a song gonna take the Ore after either the trader getting killed or the trader obey and drop the cargo lol . and exactly this kind of a situation when i will not pay anything and i will destroy my own cargo and i will avoid meeting them as much as i can but they are not getting a single penny since they follow this method. i might be new yes but i am not stupid.

Also since when and Junker can pirate in the house systems ? a pirate demanded all cargo or die he killed one of us in Omegas i could manage to run to pool then to Dublin. he managed to expect where i am going and we met again in Dublin. the pirate bomber is not capable of killing me in such a small distance between pool jumphole to graves station till i dock. they realized it and the junker started firing at me to help the pirate.

maybe i am mistaken and my understanding is wrong. can a Junker help a pirate killing a trader in a house system ? or they just went blind when they realized that the bomber is not capable of killing my trade ship and i will be able to dock and they are not gonna get the ore they are after ""in this case they are not really after any sort of RP or having fun since they didn't really RP except for the 2 lines the rules demand they are only after the dollar sign lol""

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[Snozzz]

This old chestnut again eh, perhaps apt that it resurfaces at Xmas.

Why dont they pay. Well that can only be down to each individual case and its fairly well discussed already.
That pirates demand credits is not unsurprising, but totaly unrealistic that they will get what they demand. Where is all our money kept ? On some imaginary Banks computer. Would they permit criminal organizations like the Rogues to operate through them. Right, theres no chance. More likely they would freeze the account and bring the 'law' in and simply terminate their account and the 'law' would confiscate the contents. All regardless of the victims immediate predicament. Indie pirates would make some small success to begin with, until they got identified. Then they would go the same way. Corporate trade factions would not pay people without taking action or demanding action and the pilot would only have what is in his own pockets. Seriously a pirate should only be able to gain what is physically present, Ship and Cargo. Up to this point I have never been pirated for my cargo and only once or twice for Batts n Botts, back when you could. Pirates should be blocked from demanding credits and have to use or sell what they reap. In this sense pirates etc have it far to easy. And to those that say being a pirate wouldn't be fun anymore I can only say ... Good

Pirate RP equals only one thing gimme yer mooney or di, even the 'better' ones. Only now are we starting to see someone trying to gain equipment, by piracy (though i think its purely forum based as per usual), and some supplies. Hopefully it turns out to be a good thing.

If instead of the official factions being given Cap8 armour as their 'start up perk' they were all given a POB and required to keep it alive to keep themselves alive. Or better still made to create one. And support it. Then we would see a whole different dynamic given they had to pirate to get the supplies. Instead of laying back and just loling at the grief they cause everyone else. Stop their free-ride.

[Ayman]

this thread is golden

Yes it is very useful for me as new to disco to get me understand things that is confusing and help me try to get my RP better. really thanks for everyone who post and explain and discuss the matter in a friendly way, appreciated.

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