No pirating in cap's/but legal's allowed to kill trader's in cap's?

[ryoken]

OK i want to know what the rule is here exactly.
You are not allowed to pirate in a CAP. ok got that.
I have seen corsair's/hessien's/outcast's/hacker's/ all get in deep ****E for killing a trader in a cap(even when in perfect RP) ok got that.

So why is LSF.LPI/SA/RM/QCP/BPA/KNF and any other "legal" faction allowed to kill a trader? I do not get this. Is this allowed for some reason? Am i missing something? Has the rule been changed, or i miss read it?

PLS i need an answer here i am confused big time.
If this is allowed i will get rid of my smuggler since it make's no point what so ever, and stick to boring old trading, or get some "legal" caps myself, and go around killing smuggler's who do not give ME 4 million and drop all thier cargo, since that to me is alot easier, and faster then actually trading for cash.

Admin's pls jump in and explain the rule's to me since i am just confused all to hell.:unsure::unsure::unsure:

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[Boss]

Well...The LPI has no caps...And we don't stop smugglers very often :unsure:

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Just go play the game and have fun dammit.

all in all the conclusion is that disco doesn't need antagonist factions, it doesn't need phantoms, it doesn't need nomads, it doesn't need coalition and it doesn't need many other things, no AIs, the game is hijacked by morons to confuse the game with their dickwaving generic competition games mixed up with troll-of-the-day.

[Dantrithor]

MACK-TRUCK, i was there, and you perfectly know what happened. In fact, i just filled a report for LSF/SA about the incident. You were halted, from the first moment you only talked OORP about us (me in a VHF) unable to stop you because you were a trader, even having over 4.000 artifacts. Then, you attacked me with all your transport turrets, while i was typing, leaving me at 0% shield while i was trying to thrust away. If you get killed by a LSF collaborator because you are killing a LSF member, actually you are looking for it, in my honest opinion. As we didnt actually threat you in any form, but me telling you to drop the artifacts.

And right now, i sadly cant FRAPS things, but i think the cap ship ceased fire and the last blows were actually mine. And it says very little of you than you attack someone, and when their mates defend him, you only talk about reporting people for attacking you.

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[Cosmos]

that doesnt matter, killing a trader in a BS is wrong and against server rules, if the Legals dont stop doing this i will get as many Pirate capships as possible and go to every system and have them kill traders and smugglers, because if you're allowed too, then so are us pirates.

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[Unseelie]

Actually, a legal is perfectly within their rights to kill you from a BS.
The key there, is that Legals only attack you if you waltz in and do something they consider illegal, where pirates attack you every time. You set yourself up for an attack if you break laws.

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[ryoken]

Yes i told the NON TAGGED indie battle cruiser ooRP with a // he is not allowed to kill a trader.
Also i got screens that say he did kill me.
I did shoot at you, but never even pointed a gun at him.
I have no problem with LSF killing me, but a non TAGGED/NON FACTION indie?
That is what i reported. That is total BS. If that IS legal? well i will take my NAVY GB who IS tagged as liberty navy, and upgrade it to a BC so i can also cap whole all over NY.
Really is that what all you LSF want in NY? a bunch of non faction indie cap's going around killing trader's/smuggler's? If so let me know. It can be arranged. It is completely unfun,and make's smuggling a worthless RP to do,since no trader can even scratch a liberty battle cruiser/and will die in second's to it's gun's. Totally unfun/unfair.
I fired on your LSF char since 3 other LSF have siad i am KOS to them,and have fired on me,and killed me with a full load of passinger's completly without a warning, or a word, and very close to a dock rape.
Saying that. If i can be fired on without a word, so can any LSF fighter that crosses my path.
My ship is tagged as ALG with a trader ID, so a KOS makes no sense to me, and you were the only LSF ship who ever stopped me. All other's yelled after i had already docked.

Well now i am confused,and pissed off. I wanted oppinion's on the rule, not a flame war, and i did not point any finger's/name any name's. You just did that.
If your buddy in the BC want's to kill trader's maybe i should trade with a BS. That way we can both just PVP ooRP when i enter NY.

Sorry to all admin's. I just wanted answer's not this flame abuse.:angry:

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[ryoken]

Actually, a legal is perfectly within their rights to kill you from a BS.
The key there, is that Legals only attack you if you waltz in and do something they consider illegal, where pirates attack you every time. You set yourself up for an attack if you break laws.



I said nothing about pirate's.
I have seen a Corsair sanctioned for killing a trader whe landed on Crete with VIP's. This is a RP nono.
Even though the Corsair had the right's to kill him RP wise he was still sanctioned under the "NO CAPS ALLOED TO KILL TRADER"S FOR ANY REASON RULE"

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[kindred]

Does not matter who or what is legal or illegal, the killing of a trading vessel by a battleship is a sanctionable offense unless the trader in question opens fire on the battleship itself. Feel free to browse the sanction reports.

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Devtonia ; all-or-nothing approach to bias.

[Raekur]

Killing a smuggler is legal if the smuggler has refused to drop the cargo no mention of any ship class restrictions.

Now if a battleship just shoots the smuggler without making a request then that is the same as a pirate killing a trader without making a request.

I think the point that is being overlooked here is this.
Was a request made and adequate time given to respond? If so then the smuggler has as much right to scream his head off as a trader does that got killed by a pirate. NONE.

[DBoy1612]

that doesnt matter, killing a trader in a BS is wrong and against server rules, if the Legals dont stop doing this i will get as many Pirate capships as possible and go to every system and have them kill traders and smugglers, because if you're allowed too, then so are us pirates.

That post was stupid and childish, go back to your corner.:dry:

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Moving on, anyway yes, legal organizations -are- allowed to kill Traders in Capships. Of course it has to be FULLY within roleplay, not just blow someone up for the hell of it. For instance, smuggling 4000 artifacts? Ya, it's illegal to carry it in house systems, what do you expect the Lawfuls to do? Dock, log out, switch characters, come back? No 'course not. They will use what they have to inforce the law, which includes using any class of capital ship to do it. But of course the lawful pilot must ask you to drop the cargo first. If you start running, it gives him/her permission to open fire. Now indies doing it I do have a problem with, but I won't express my opinion on this, not yet atleast.

And no, pirates can't do it, because that will obviously be over abused. PLUS! Why would pirate orginizations waste time with their battleships to go kill the simple traders? Those things have much bigger problems to deal with. How about defense against hostile pirates and lawfuls? Pirates aren't defending like the lawfuls are, they're the ones causing trouble.

That is how it works, how it's always worked, and I don't see it changing anytime soon.

Enjoy.

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