Adding Pirate IFF'd Satellites to the Darkside of (Capital) Planets

[Pinko]

inRP wouldn't the satellites get destroyed by the navy or some other vigilantes or something if they are being used for smuggling.

And as they are freelancer anyone can dock and see that its pretty clear....

I don't think the Leeds sattelite really exists IRP.

There might be something there to guide friendly freighters, sure, but I just assumed that they represented manual, dangerous landings done into the atmosphere itself, rather than using the docking rings.

[Hannibal]

Though I still don´t understand how there can be fear of something what is not happening for years

Because people don't smuggle because of that?or atleast try to avoid other players which is even worst in a multiplayer server..

Though I´m not sure if it´s good idea to give /nodock to indies for its huge abuse potential.

those who will abuse it will be sanctioned...

Only thing that may happen if smuggler is disregarding the roleplay completely and escape by docking on lawfuls station with cargo hold full of contraband, is common rep sanction which is not for smuggling but for the mentioned docking and behaving completely ooRPly

therefor shall not be discussed here because its not a FR5 but a sanction,there's a big difference..

And this one can be easily fixed by one bribe.

not so sure about that...i guess it depends on case by case(or admin and his choice )

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People want to believe that God has a plan for them.
They don't wanna believe that anyone else does..

[SnakThree]

We could use the same big red cross that Tomioka has.

In case someone does not know how it looks:

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[Laura C.]

Though I still don´t understand how there can be fear of something what is not happening for years

Because people don't smuggle because of that?or atleast try to avoid other players which is even worst in a multiplayer server..

People fortunately still smuggle, contrary to some beliefs. I still smuggle on my smugglers, and we still keep catching smugglers on RFP patrols. It´s kind of sad to say it, but in this case I´m almost glad there are players who play without reading forums regularly or at all. Because in my opinion, the mentioned fear does not stem from any real actions (because as we even agreed, smuggling FR5s do not exist currently), but real source is actually group of players which constantly spread this fear by saying something along the lines "smuggling is dead because of FR5s" or "better to not smuggle, lawfuls will FR5 for it" repeatedly on the forums here and there, despite they always fail to prove these FR5s exist when asked, and then the discussion usually continue with the current spirit of "okay, maybe there are no FR5s, but people are afraid of them anyway". So in the end it creates infinite circle of "smugglers are afraid of FR5s because they are afraid of FR5s".

I wonder what the hell do I have to do to stop these false rumours. I´m trying my best to prove this is myth (and a detrimental one), but I´m getting kind of tired of repeating myself over and over again. Currently when I see words "smuggling FR5s" anywhere, my first reaction is like

Though I´m not sure if it´s good idea to give /nodock to indies for its huge abuse potential.

those who will abuse it will be sanctioned...

It´s not that easy. /nodock is strong tool which can almost stop you from playing in the whole house, because you will stay locked from all lawful and corporate bases if the spoiled cop keeps following you. Processing sanctions sometimes take quite some time if admins are busy, so in the meantime the culprit can freely abuse it and annoy lot of players. And that can be especially harmful for example in Liberty, where lot of new players is. Not to mention that these players often don´t know about forums and definitely don´t know how to file a report. Thus the abuser can avoid sanction for quite some time.

Also what should giving /nodock to indies actually solve? Like I said, they can´t FR5 you.

Not to mention, it would be kind of weird to give /nodock to indies when even some official factions which are interested to have it for their bases are still waiting to get it.

And this one can be easily fixed by one bribe.

not so sure about that...i guess it depends on case by case(or admin and his choice )

I´m very sure about that. In the times before /nodock I reported few smugglers which loved to dock on RFP bases to get away from me. Always when I met them shortly after sanction was issued, they were happily flying and docking in Rheinland again without any troubles, and when I asked admin how is it possible, he said fixing rep through bribe is okay in this case. Because that´s the difference between rep sanction and FR5. The rep sanction is reversible one time sanction, FR5 is definitive change of reputation as consequence of serious bad behaviour.

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On a ragebreak. Or ragequit. Time will tell.

[Croft]

The biggest roadblock to this idea came from the Leeds smuggler dock, if memory serves it was a testbed for freighter smuggling but ran into a serious issue, profit. The proximity of resale points for contraband meant that no major gain could be made in terms of pricing, basically bringing it down to standard trading levels.

Awhile back I proposed using an admin controlled PoB instead of the resale points, big transports would fill the station and freighters sell it on, all player driven and totally removed from the standard base drama with the added bonus of allowing the smuggler docks to be viable. There was some mild interest and screaming but sadly when it came to gather community support it was like getting blood from a stone and naturally was left to rot in the backwaters of the forum. The figures are rough and outdated but I think if both ideas were used together it may actually achieve something.

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Jimmy The Rat | Croft's Feedback | The Rat Pack

[Hannibal]

@Croft you wanted to be the owner of a core 5 POB without putting any effort into building it

even more so that pob could not offer any incentive (to be read as profit, even a loss ) for those who will transport the goods to the POB and from POB to selling point not even mention the increase in risk that will such POB add up to it (a hotspot for lawfuls to catch smugglers)

right now I build a POB in a hotspot between two houses that can offer only two contrabands and be in a profit..

however it was meant to offer pirates a place to sell their cargo and other smugglers or the likes to buy stolen goods for an above market profit

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People want to believe that God has a plan for them.
They don't wanna believe that anyone else does..

[Croft]

It helps to actually read the post Hannibal, you tend to miss key bits of information if you skim.

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Jimmy The Rat | Croft's Feedback | The Rat Pack

[Hannibal]

It helps to actually read the post Hannibal, you tend to miss key bits of information if you skim.

i read it then(the one you linked even if unrelated to what you posted above) and what you posted now,haven't missed a thing and i have explained it very well,whether you are willing to accept it..

anyway..let's get back on topic(FR5s)

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People want to believe that God has a plan for them.
They don't wanna believe that anyone else does..

[Croft]

A swing and a miss.

Anyway, I'm wondering if the overall effort of getting these satelites will actually be worth while as the community nor the devs seem to be able to agree on any smuggling changes, not to mention the amount of trouble the satelites would cause. Could police stop people from docking? If so why bother making them. If not whats stopping everyone from simply ignoring the police and docking?

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Jimmy The Rat | Croft's Feedback | The Rat Pack

[gafwmn]

Its called role play.

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