Remove thrusters from 5kers?

[sasapinjic]

So remove bomber pirating and allowe fighter pirating only ( or nerf bombers ) , and traders will stay and fight , isn't PEW better than pay , die or dock ?

It is interesting that people flamed becouse one thing in ( ) , twisting that one thing and ignoring everything else .
Like mentioning , "nerf bombers" is heresy !

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http://discoverygc.com/wiki/Bombers

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[n00bl3t]

The serious problem with Pirate - Trader interactions is that pirates are separated into cool pirates who demand REASONABLE monies and RP, and (bad word ) pirates who demand 50% of the profit. Maybe adding back sirius credit cards to NPC traders would be a good compromise as pirates would make money by killing NPCs when there are no players around. Nowdays being a pirate isn't really profitable and fact that some of them are (bad) discourages traders to interact with pirates as a whole

Just give 2mil sirius credit card for NPC transports and pirates will demand lower monies --> traders will want to speak with them

Is there any good NPC cargo piracy spots in the mod now anyway for a Pirate Transport?

In Tau-29, near Tau-31 gate, some IFL/IMG transports with nice cargo (Tungsten, other metals, Energy Field equipment) generated from time to time.

Just fly the right damn ship for pirating. If you're not using a small transport, you're doing it wrong, and I'm a better pirate than you. It's that easy.

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[Corile]

Whoever said that piracy currently is in a good state in disco is an idiot. Just take a look at how the current so called pirate factions are faring - almost all of them are just doing supply runs in transports for their allies rather than actually pirating. However the problem with it is much deeper than just one type of transports.

Now, someone said that doing the correct thing is to pirate in a small transport - something like a Bullmastiff or a BWT. The problem is that the most unfun and annoying type of piracy - cargo piracy - is simultaneously the easiest and the most profitable. This is the reason that pirating on anything other than a Junker is just simply not profitable and not worth the time. You can park a Junker in Kepler or Sigma-13, blue people and sell off stuff just one system away for a really good profit. Meanwhile a bomber player who'd just demand 3 millions from a lone trader would laugh and keep thrusting to the nearest base because very rarely will a bomber have enough power to take it down before it reaches the station or backup arrives.

Now let's consider some types of situations you can get yourself into as a trader.

Alone vs VHF
VHFs should be able to kill transports while under fire from a turretsteering pilot with turrets other than Dulzians in about the time it takes to thrust 50K (which is about an average distance between solar objects in disco)q2w.
With an escort VHF vs VHF
In this situation the escort should be enough for the pirate to let the transport escape and/or for the escort to kill the pirate.
Alone vs Bomber
Flying into a pirate bomber should not be an instant death, but rather an unavoidable one. Bombers should be able to kill a transport without a problem, before they can reach a docking point.
With an escort VHF vs Bomber
Again, here the escort should be able to kill the pirate bomber before the bomber can destroy the transport. This is a crucial point in balancing the system and the hardest one to tackle. If we lived in a normal combat environment where snub duels with reloads take a minute and not half an hour this would not be a problem and would balance itself without much of an issue.
Alone vs Transport
Well, put simply, whoever has the smaller transport and more armor should be able to win this. Not really rocket science.
With an escort VHF vs Transport
This should also not be a problem, however one important thing to note is the ability of the escort to bump out the pirate transport which should be acknowledged as a valid tactic in this example because, well, it is the only way to stop the pirate from catching up to the trader.
Alone vs Gunboat/Cruiser
Transports should be able to thrust away from gunboats and cruisers, and currently they can for the most part, so it's okay.

Now my suggestions for the balance:

Add an external hardpoint for the shield on transports that's easy to hit from point blank with a SNAC or from a distance with a Nova which cannot be destroyed with vhf guns or transport turrets. This would ensure that bombers can knock out transports easily.

Remove the ability for transports to mount Capital Ship thrusters, reason as above.

Halve the effective fire rate of SNACs, multiply their damage by 1,5 and make it so that SNAC and Nova drops the bomber's shield after firing. That would increase the effectiveness of fighters against bombers. Alternatively significantly increase the damage done by SNACs and Novas while reducing bombers to HF armour and shields for the same reason.

Increase the damage and spread of Charon transport turrets while lowering their projectile speed and significantly reducing the damage to shields. Buff the transport pulses. That would ensure a snub escort can bump an opposing transport for the trader to escape.

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[Darku]

use battleship or cruiser :|

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[Croft]

Your asking traders to work with escorts but allowing solo pirates free reign? That is the height of hypocricy. Balance is a level playing field, not horribly slanted one way or the other.

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[Stoner_Steve]

Your asking traders to work with escorts but allowing solo pirates free reign? That is the height of hypocrisy. Balance is a level playing field, not horribly slanted one way or the other.

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[hack]

At this point, it think it would be a better idea to stop trading and just pirate other pirates... sounds like I could make more money that way ....

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[n00bl3t]

At this point, it think it would be a better idea to stop trading and just pirate other pirates... sounds like I could make more money that way ....

Isn't this essentially what the government (navies and police in this game, but can also apply RL) is?

A pirate on pirate's? Makes demands, kills if not met. Takes cargo and credits.

[hack]

Nope, even better, Freelancer IFF, Pirate ID...

More fun to be had... No House laws to abide by.

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Creator of Sgt. V. Price, 207th Precinct out of Chula Vista Station