Gentle Reminder

[Riess]

It's a poor display from you, and a complete lack of ability to have a discussion.

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Shame on all of you.

Offering counteropinion is still far better display of ability and respect for other participants than diving straigh to dismissing and shaming the other party.

But I'll also reserve myself a right to maintan level bias towards certain participants of discussion based on prior witness of their in game behaviour. You could almost say that I base my attitude to fellow players opinion on matter on how they themselves have shown in game to approach the matter.

[Haste]

the wicked Reavers

This reminds me.

Part of the reason I'm so sceptical about this "announcement" is that my experience with the Admin team when it comes to dealing with players who feel they're being "harmed" by PvPers* isn't particularly great. The only major server-based sanction I've been involved in was the Bastille-ing of the entire Reaver faction because of what I would argue was a malicious report by someone who held an intense hate for the Reavers... And probably got shot by us a lot.

This player went through hundreds if not thousands of Reaver bounty claims on the forums hoping to find a few screenshots where the Reaver's targeting reticule wasn't red. And he succeeded. Out of all of those claims, he found sixty or so screenshots he deemed "faulty". In reality, after reviewing the evidence with one or two Admins at the time, we found that maybe four or five of the screenshots actually showed something that was against the rules. In all the other cases, the targeted Outcast Tridente - for example - simply happened to have no IFF (this was possible at the time, IDs didn't yet force IFFs) making it show as neutral white.

This player's obsession with the Reaver faction led to the entire faction getting bastilled because one Reaver ship happened to be neutral to the BHG while shooting them in three or four instances. So excuse me if I'm a bit worried that some paranoid player feels bullied and it leads to me or others getting banned for harmlessly playing the game.




*) This refers to players who enjoy occasionally shooting other players. Contrary to popular belief, these "PvPers" often enjoy RPing just as much.

[Vendetta]

It's a poor display from you, and a complete lack of ability to have a discussion.

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Shame on all of you.

Offering counteropinion is still far better display of ability and respect for other participants than diving straigh to dismissing and shaming the other party.

But I'll also reserve myself a right to maintan level bias towards certain participants of discussion based on prior witness of their in game behaviour. You could almost say that I base my attitude to fellow players opinion on matter on how they themselves have shown in game to approach the matter.

Pretty much this.

I play a lot of factions ([HF]/K'Hara|/A/)-) that are heavily involved in both PvP and RP. I enjoy the latter more, that's true, but I'm not opposed to participating in the former, even against people who might be better than me in the game. I still find some enjoyment, despite not really liking PvP due to hardware limitations. No I'm not going to spend hours of my time trying to 'get good' because I don't need to to enjoy the game.

I also don't need a wave of ships harassing me endlessly every time I log in, but that's a different story.

You're talking about a lack of freedom of discussion but your immediate response was to shame the other party that disagreed with you. That isn't exactly showing willingness to discuss anything. Quite the opposite, really. For some reason you're trying to defend yourself as if you're one of the accused and a bunch of bony, roleplayer fingers are pointed in your direction, which isn't the case here. No one is attacking anyone for their opinion (yet). Why get defensive? Peoples attitudes will always be bad but you learn to cope with it, not keep pushing the line over and over and then play the victim card.

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[Yber]

You are shameful not because of your opinion but because of your hypocresy ingame, don't try to mix things up.

An opinion is always valid, sure. But dismissing arguments with poor use of irony isn't discussing and let alone an actual argument.

It's funny that you reply to my post when it wasn't neccesarily aimed at you, yet you made sure to answer as fast as possible. One can tell you fill idenfied with it, @Vendetta .

[Sombs]

Yber-stuff

http://imgur.com/a/mqlxg

[Vendetta]

You are shameful not because of your opinion but because of your hypocresy ingame, don't try to mix things up.

An opinion is always valid, sure. But dismissing arguments with poor use of irony isn't discussing and let alone an actual argument.

It's funny that you reply to my post when it wasn't neccesarily aimed at you, yet you made sure to answer as fast as possible. One can tell you fill idenfied with it.

And now you're devolving to passive-aggressive insults.

Funny how that works out.

Nothing was mixed up, nor was their any irony involved in my statement. I didn't answer as fast as possible as I just woke up about ten minutes ago, and have been sitting here eating a bag of chips, getting caught up on the few threads I became involved in. You're jumping to conclusions and trying to make it personal, which it isn't. I don't know why, as I've rarely interacted with you outside of getting /1'd /2'd and shot.

But you're trying to take this to a whole new level, and if that's how you want to handle it, then that's fine. We all have our ways with dealing with being wrong. Yours is getting angry and attempting to deface someone who commented on your own words.

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[Yber]

You're being defensive as you always are, trying to pick on words that weren't even directed to you to begin with in a desperate attempt to make your personal opinion sound like a fact. And now it is that I'm talking to you.

I offered my opinion as a change of pace to the thread where you, along other people, feel entitled to actively despise the people who don't agree with you. Lastly, you're the one trying to "make this personal", whatever it is you're talking about, as at no point I've gone against you or against your opinion, which you consider a fact.

You do a good enough job defacing yourself each time you post.

Regardless, if this is going to become a new rule, the term "shadowlogging" should be properly explained. Whether it is stalking a player, stalking a character, stalking a group of people or all of it combined would be nice. Overall because stalking a group is something very subjective in the inmense majority of cases.

[Shryke]

usuall get gut arguments

The thing that is constantly lost on people who raise this point is that spending "lot of time in conn" is neither mandatory, fun, or simply possible for considerable part of community, who still should be able to enjoy their time flying and RP'ing their chars. And if they'll won't find that opportunity at Disco, they'll simply move on, because its Disco's job to build attractive enviroment, not their to spend hours or days to adapt - despite general trend to guilt or shame them into.

Also, please consider person who can put hour per day, two tops. Why are people like that relentlessly assaulted by other folk or fellow faction members with notices how they can spend their precious aftertime on something they not enjoy instead of faction or people around actually tring to create other opportunities for them too?

I have sympathy but if your character has enemies, interacting with them is an integral part of RP. I don't expect flying around in my Liberty Rogue indie that I can just RP away and not have to worry about being shot by lawfuls - that's part of the RP. Just because it isn't enjoyable doesn't make it invalid. Do people target certain groups for fat stacks of $$$? Sure, has always been like that and it won't likely change because if there's valid RP behind it (ie: Hunters chasing targets for bounties) what's the violation? Are we going to implement limits on how many times you can claim a bounty on one person spanning multiple characters? Who the hell as the time to track that?

And now you're devolving to passive-aggressive insults.

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You're jumping to conclusions and trying to make it personal, which it isn't. I don't know why, as I've rarely interacted with you outside of getting /1'd /2'd and shot.

Heh.

[Magnifique]

The only major server-based sanction I've been involved in was the Bastille-ing of the entire Reaver faction because of what I would argue was a malicious report by someone who held an intense hate for the Reavers... And probably got shot by us a lot.

Because reporting rule violations is a sign of a malicious obsession and intense hate, while shooting someone a lot although you know they don't like it, logging to shoot them, violating rules while shooting them, and saying they have a malicious obsession and intense hate for you is not.

One is acceptable because you enjoy doing it, while the other is not because its done to correct a perceived injustice.

Regardless, if this is going to become a new rule, the term "shadowlogging" should be properly explained. Whether it is stalking a player, stalking a character, stalking a group of people or all of it combined would be nice. Overall because stalking a group is something very subjective in the inmense majority of cases.

Agreed. Properly explained and defined, and applied objectively.

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[Riess]

I have sympathy but if your character has enemies, interacting with them is an integral part of RP. I don't expect flying around in my Liberty Rogue indie that I can just RP away and not have to worry about being shot by lawfuls - that's part of the RP. Just because it isn't enjoyable doesn't make it invalid.

Absolutely, but that wasn't my argument at all.

To continue from where quote left, my point is more like "I am Rogue player in Liberty Rogues faction, but I also completely suck at PvP, so could faction show some support for my effords if I focus on smuggle/piracy/arranging RP activities with allies/neutrals instead of endless nabbing about how I can fix that via conn practices?".