' Wrote:Maggots are fly larvae, not worms. They eat the dead tissue so bacteria doesn't grow in it.
Unknown chemical content? Pfft. There is plenty of information that a doctor will give to you if you're smart enough to ask (daunting I know). My doctor happily printed out 15 pages of information regarding my condition, alternative treatment methods, the pills I was taking and any side effects I may suffer.
Yeah, I'm sure after you get cancer and read the small print on your chemotherapy you will resist the temptation and just not go through with it. No doctor is going to prescribe you cannabis oil (which has been known to actually destroy skin cancer) in the vast majority of countries.
You're right about the larvae, though.
@Marburg: consumerism is just another part of nature. Everything needs to consume something to sustain its life, we humans just really overdo it. Most of us do it. The fact that we are spending a good amount of our spare time playing video games is, again, another form of mindless insanity. But we do it because it delivers some kind of pleasure. Often we compare ourselves to the fauna or even flora, but we never ask 'what if they had egos like we do?'. They'd probably do the same. I've seen how a gang of chimps literally tears apart another chimp and then cannibalize on it, just to prove a territorial point. At least animals don't imprison other animals when they murder each other (and no, it's not always for food).
Faceless corporations are easy to blame for a lot of the sh*t that's going on today, I hate them too, but we can't deny the fact that they work through our provided assistance. This is what I like about today - society now has an actual voice (social networking) and it seems that most of the youth has gone pro-eco, which is great. If you come visit my country (Bulgaria), you will observe insane politics as well. I doubt there are many other countries where the ruling body of the country is an ex-firefighter and private bodyguard. He runs the whole police state and newspapers address him by his first name.
Furthermore, as brutal and ugly wars are - without them the population will overflow immensely. If our kind wasn't so self-centered perhaps this could be avoided. Technological development could just happen for all of us, instead of it being kept for private warfare and eventually released for civilian use after years have passed and it has gotten obsolete.
Nevertheless, materialism is definitely killing our creativity, which really sucks.
Don't get me wrong. I understand the viewpoint you're trying to convey very well. You are simply looking at it from a broader esoteric way. While you're focusing on a form of 'The Gaia Principle' I'm focusing on the result of post-WWII consumerism. & that's where our wires cross. You mention
Quote:consumerism is just another part of nature. Everything needs to consume something to sustain its life, we humans just really overdo it.
while I said it as
Quote:Overblown consumerism
so, we are on the same page as far as that goes. Let me ask: what do you think the world could have been like today if America had a responsible energy policy & didn't have the mindset of 'mans dominion over nature' while growing infrastructure in the late 40's & 50's?
Nutshelling it as best I can, I imagine that we would be much more cooperative society.Urban sprawl would not exist. Farming would be localized. War to secure resources would be unnecessary & as a result, America wouldn't have had such a negative effect on the world as we do.
I'm all about recognizing cause & effect. I wish I had more time atm to go into greater detail, but I have to come back abit later today to do that. 'cause I'd love to keep discussing this sort of thing
I can't bring myself to follow what has happened politically or socially, but I do have an interest in the human mind itself. That is where it all comes from, isn't it?
I don't think we can really talk about 'what if' something had went down differently in the past. It wouldn't have, it hasn't in this world, why discuss it? I've dreamed about utopian infrastructures with disregard for any monetary systems, but that doesn't work either. Most forms of communism derive from ideas like that one, but have somehow failed to achieve what they were supposed to.
The way this could work is if the human ways of thinking change, and for that to happen we need to lose our egos or learn how to fully control them. If we somehow drop the ego this early, we will be left with others and the care for them. Practically one has to give up oneself in order to be free from the material world and its confinements.
And about the dominion of man over nature - mankind is still an outcome of nature itself, so if we are to be exact - nature is dominating over nature, isn't it? Cooperation will emerge now more than ever, I have a feeling about it. As I mentioned earlier - societies have a more pronounced voice today. Not many can just pretend they don't hear it anymore. You have seen the effect of this with cases such as ACTA. We had a similar occasion here, in Bulgaria, when the PM wanted to modify current laws for the protection of natural goods (forests, for instance) so that cutting down forests would become legal for private people. The person who owns the biggest ski resort here is his personal friend, you see. Then facebook became on fire and everyone was up about it, protesting and such. Then our president assigned a VETO on the incoming changes. It kinda works, and it works fast.
A lot of it is in our hands and we are not powerless to faceless corps.
' Wrote:Yeah, I'm sure after you get cancer and read the small print on your chemotherapy you will resist the temptation and just not go through with it. No doctor is going to prescribe you cannabis oil (which has been known to actually destroy skin cancer) in the vast majority of countries.
You don't know anything about me. I know what chemotherapy does after watching a close family member go through it. I'd definitely go through it if it gave me more time on this earth.
' Wrote:Yeah, I'm sure after you get cancer and read the small print on your chemotherapy you will resist the temptation and just not go through with it.
' Wrote:You don't know anything about me. I know what chemotherapy does after watching a close family member go through it. I'd definitely go through it if it gave me more time on this earth.
Side note - folks, before this degenerates, so far as I know, I'm the only active member of this community who has directly had chemotherapy. Not someone in my family - me, personally. (And active - R.I.P., Bear!) And yeah, I read the fine print on my chemotherapy.
If I didn't take it, I was going to die. Gee - what a choice. Have them inject an assortment of chemical poison in my body that potentially could damage my kidneys, my reproductive organs, and cause all sorts of nasty side effects (like my hair and teeth falling out) - and it would (at the time) give me about a 90% chance of survival - or I die. Key note - this was long enough ago that my treatment WAS still classified as experimental - 10 years prior to my having cancer, it had a 90% mortality rate. Now nearly 3 decades later, it has nearly a 99% CURE rate if caught in time.
So let's not go down that cancer road, shall we? Please?
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
I'm sorry, I really didn't mean to offend anyone. I lost my uncle to cancer and almost my father. I smoke so much cigarettes that I wouldn't be surprised if it happens to me soon (please no.), I just know that there are better ways to fight it. Well, this poo transplant thing is a small example of a very crazy way to cure something without consuming chemicals and so on. The example I gave with cannabis oil - it was documented somewhere (videos can be found in youtube with progression of the skin cancer while being treated with this oil), was meant to point out that pharmacy will not stand down to cheap and more effective cures. Soooo much money are being made every single hour from pharmaceutical companies. Weed is actually magical, it can be used for a number of cures, it can be used as fuel as well as clothing materials. But it's illegal. That, my friends, is insane.
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