(12-23-2016, 02:08 AM)Grumblesaur Wrote: I am of the opinion that your faction's punishment should be reversed. Evidence acquired in bad faith should be thrown out.
This.
The process that led to the FR5 (meaning the end for 101st) can be challenged so easily on quite a few points that the collective and unjustly hard punishment needs to be reverted.
(12-23-2016, 09:12 AM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: meaning the end for 101st
If you call not being able to dock at OC stations while OC ID is still the most overpowered unlawful ID in reputation and ZoI, then you are either blind or ignorant. Aside from that, even if the FR5 in the current state would be reverted, don't you think NC, as the information of the evidence is out there, even if it would be horused retconned in a way that would have this restart - which means the information itself would only be in Oracle hand and would need _one_ additional comm than before that shows how the Oracle information makes it's way into NC's hand - it would still take the same turn, and Divine even said he would deal with it inRP, if this wasn't in his opinion a rule violation.
Don't try to sell things worse than they are. One FR5 can't kill a faction. It's lazy people behind it that kill a faction.
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That's where Outcasts can dock. Yes, some of those factions are not in Outcast ZoI, but you can still dock there. That's so many factions with stations all over Sirius where OCs can still go, even with FR5 to OC. It's stupid to say it'd kill a faction, as it only takes away those bases.
14 bases in a nearly Sirius-wide ZoI, while there are dozens of other bases are still open to dock for 101st.
And how many of the dockable bases are inside the realm of Taus where 101st plays normally? How many of those will turn red via npc empathy? In reality the only Tau bases will be Freeports in T37 and T29.
You can try to downplay the impact all you want but fact is that a fr5 to hostile against the own idea wrecks that faction. It ceates stupid situations (like: what happened to those 101 families on planets and bases?) and also causes a huge deal of "negative roleplay" that is zero fun for the defeated party and especilly bad when the process thar created the situation is deemed flawed. The combination of no-fun rp, oorp struggling against the ruling, oorp hostility in its wake, and harder gameplay will definitely have a major negative impact and I am convinced it will result in the disappearance of 101st.
"Deal with it" is a tall approach, especially when the means of getting that fr5 material are highly dubious.
All of those speaking for the NC, with all their reminders what supposedly was done inRP and what RP now still can be done, putting the RP aspect above everything: the NC used an ooRP tool under shady evidence to avoid doing RP as Outcasts. It's much easier to remove something with your faction power by the rules instead of actually going through it. InRP, the NC doesn't rule all Maltese, that's something the NC made up, ignoring all previous RP bc they can, inRP the NC wouldn't be able military-wise to throw the Ghosts out, but I guess some will just come and declare otherwise because reasons. From an outside view on the RP done, it's laughable. The easy exit for not being able to RP Maltese properly in the first place. And you, the lazy ones that used ooRP means for your inability to do anything else, now try to tell people about how things come together inRP. None of you even bothered to answer @Omicega. But what apart from "We rule now all bc we said so" could you possibly answer that doesn't has you look like a hilarious joke for resorting to an FR against your own NPC-ID as Outcasts.
Because with the declaration of the "civil-war" by the green team, the FR2 and FR5 for both factions had been suspended. Both factions were official though at that moment. Nevertheless, no FR by the at first only official faction was issued as far as I know.
(12-23-2016, 03:26 PM)Divine Wrote: All of those speaking for the NC, with all their reminders what supposedly was done inRP and what RP now still can be done, putting the RP aspect above everything : the NC used an ooRP tool under shady evidence to avoid doing RP as Outcasts. It's much easier to remove something with your faction power by the rules instead of actually going through it. InRP, the NC doesn't rule all Maltese, that's something the NC made up, ignoring all previous RP bc they can, inRP the NC wouldn't be able military-wise to throw the Ghosts out, but I guess some will just come and declare otherwise because reasons. From an outside view on the RP done, it's laughable. The easy exit for not being able to RP Maltese properly in the first place. And you, the lazy ones that used ooRP means for your inability to do anything else, now try to tell people about how things come together inRP. None of you even bothered to answer @Omicega. But what apart from "We rule now all bc we said so" could you possibly answer that doesn't has you looks like a hilarious joke for resorting to an FR against your own NPC-ID as Outcasts.
An ooRP tool? Wow, things are getting better and better. You do know the cloaking device is inRP?
And why do you claim the NC is weaker than the 101st? Did you read the NC lore anyway?
Your claims are becoming more and more hilarious, Divine. And then you blame NC for not answering an off-topic question? During holidays? Like, do you think the NC members have nothing better to do than read this thread every time it pops up with a new post? Two days (now one) before Christmas eve? That's the same like blaming Petitioner for not responding to a question about Dev-things in a thread that has literally no connection to the devs. My god, maybe stop pointing at everyone and start to think about things. People have lifes. This thread is already 16 pages of banter and discussion.
So why not have a war instead of this?
Doesn't make sense to me that a large portion of outcasts would be removed from all outcast bases without a fight.
You should really learn to read, Sombra, and not just reading what your mind wants to see. Basically every connection you made in your last post is wrong. But I'll let you, bc you're such a clever person, figure it out by yourself. That's all.
(12-23-2016, 03:57 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: So why not have a war instead of this?
Doesn't make sense to me that a large portion of outcasts would be removed from all outcast bases without a fight.
Because NC is only Wesker logging to pvp somewhere and 101st is actually literally only Divine at this moment.
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