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Offline n00bl3t
05-23-2008, 10:51 AM,
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' Wrote:see my frutration in this matter. im also gonna let two more cats out of the bag on this

1) - after negotiation with a 101st member (who call my name as soon as i sighned on at malta, he was witing there) we have come to an agreement. How's that to say i got demoted to Destroyer Captain. Thinking about an rp event where i defect to the corsairs just becuse of this, but probably not gonna go that far.

2) - Im gonna do a story about this incident. Standby for more deatils. Its gonna be goooooooood too.

3) - I am still planning a major military strike against the 101st to 'liberate' one from their shipyards. Think 100 Million per pilot plus expences plus bonuses would be enough? Any really good merc with EXCELLENT RP SKILLS keep your eyes open in the employment office.

Umm, you mean PVP skills right? Coz it's kinda hard to RP someone to death.:P

I mean I know Eppy's trying with the insane crew idea and all, but that won't work if the entire ship's crew is robotic would it?

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Offline n00bl3t
05-23-2008, 10:54 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-23-2008, 11:22 AM by n00bl3t.)
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' Wrote:Because he can't. Here's the dirty little trick, and I'm rather sad you haven't gotten this yet.

WHERE are the ships produced? Corsica.
WHO controls Corsica? The 101st.
WHO controls what comes out of Corsica? The 101st.
WHAT would the 101st do to ensure that it keeps its seat as the reigning Outcast faction? I don't know, some kind of computer override or self-destruct or slave circuit or any one of thousands of little doohickeys that make sure an 800-million-credit piece of equipment stays in the right hands. The list is extremely long.
So, WHO has the say-so? The 101st.

Obviously a computer override is not capable within the limits of the game engine, but in-RP there is no such thing as a displaced Outcast with anything as big as a Destroyer. Displaced Outcast? Sure! In a capital ship? No. Besides, no matter how you construe it, it's still a violation of the server rules, and a sanctionable offense. You have a problem with that, take it up with Igiss. The 101st is doing its job.

Oh, and you're correct, the 101st isn't the sole Outcast body. So? We still have the final word, because we have the organized force and swarms of bombers capable of turning anything that comes our way into slag. Fin.

You see people, Eppy says this because the Outcast Destroyer and Battleship is not produced on Planet Malta and solely produced on Corsica Outer Sanctum, as a planet would not have the resources to produce a capital ship.

Edit: Apologies for the double post.

' Wrote:well there is no point in arguing this. you have said your piece and the we have said ours....so we disagree. if what the 101st is doing is wrong a ooRP then they will be addressed by the admins.
but wether or not you or anyone else agrees with this or not, doesnt matter, were going to keep doing what were doing until were told to stop by an admin. and i dont see that happening soon, so get used to it or deal.

so keep calling us fascists, pvp whores, or "dancing indians", or whatever nothing is going to change.

On that note, If what the independents are doing is "OORP then they will be adressed by the admins" right?

Why have the 101st police the situation?

I think you're going to find that independents are "going to keep doing what were doing until were told to stop by an admin."

' Wrote:I'm lazy and Adrian has my ass covered, but I will say this:
Whe hell have you been? I can fly a Spyglass and a Battlestar II into a Tradelane no sweat, the Rheinland Battleship is a cinch. Learn to fly a capship, buddy, it might serve you well; maybe you'll figure out what you're talking about.

Well you know, he would learn to fly a capship, but there are these things, which kinda restricts the use of capships. Here I'll point you to one of these things:

http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...=16312&st=0

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Offline Eppy
05-23-2008, 11:20 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-23-2008, 11:26 AM by Eppy.)
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Quote:I am still planning a major military strike against the 101st to 'liberate' one from their shipyards. Think 100 Million per pilot plus expences plus bonuses would be enough? Any really good merc with EXCELLENT RP SKILLS keep your eyes open in the employment office.
You honestly think a single Dreadnought can take us down? You've never flown a Battleship before, have you?

Here's my dig with his Roleplay. He's running a business, and a small one. Here he is, buying a ship from a base that the 101st fully and wholly controls. It's in the 101st Guard System, giving us explicit permission to deny him that purchase and pursue him to the ends of the earth. And then there's the matter of the lovely Dreadnought itself. I'll go get the infocard:

Quote:The Cosairs contemptuously call this spacecraft "an overgrown zeppelin", but they know for sure that five of their poorly manufactured Osiris-type battleships won't ever take out one Outcast Dreadnought. Its armor and firepower are equal to best House battleships. However, due to the lack of resources the Outcasts could build only a few ships of this type, and most of them were hidden in remote areas of the Omicron Alpha system to counter potential assault against Malta.

See the problem? Why would the Outcast Guard sell a massive construct like that to a corporation? They need it for defensive purposes.
There aren't supposed to be large numbers of them, just a scant few. It's not even practical for what he wants, which is to fly around owning people that 'threaten his business interests'. What? That's not what we make Battleships for. Gunboats and Destroyers are much more suited for the task, and they're available.

He says he wants an Outcast Battleship now. How about no? Same thought process as the Dreadnought. It's smaller and cheaper and available for limited export, but not to a corporation, and don't anybody try to question me on the feasibility of that because I designed that ship.

Answer: Get a Destroyer. Scratch out everything to do with the Dreadnought and buy a Destroyer instead (I say scratch it out because after what he's somehow managed to do, read, one man commandeering an entire dreadnought from a protected military facility). No problems, no red tape, just a post with the ship's name and good behavior.

Quote:Thinking about an rp event where i defect to the corsairs just becuse of this
That constitutes an RP? The Corsairs would eat you alive (only half joking). Do you expect them to take their most hated enemy in just for fun, and do you honestly expect an Outcast to defect because the Military wouldn't let him fly his stolen Battleship? Sounds like a little kid having a temper tantrum.

Now, before anybody invokes the He Payed For It Bla Bla Bla argument, riddle me this. Could Bill Gates go down to US Navy Headquarters and tell the secretary "Hi, I'm Bill Gates, I'd like to buy the USS Iowa, please."? Chances are Bill, despite being the single richest human alive, is going to get taken away by the people in white coats. Same deal here.

Quote:If i can make friends with the Outcasts Guard enoguht to land on Corsica, buy the sip and fit it out rp style, and rp its flight well enough for the community standard (the 101st is not objective in this matter no matter what you tell me), and keep it all in server rules, I should be able to keep the ship

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO LAND ON CORSICA. It's in the 101st Guard System, and hence we have total control over landing rights. Indeed, being in the system at all without the prior authorization of an Outcast faction is illegal.

Quote:How come when i put an hour into working on my story, and do a nice post on it, i get rejected. I understand their rp reason, but come on, let us have some fun (once again restrice the sales of cap ship you dont want out there by some sort of software block). Eveyone else other indie who simply said "Im an Outcast to defend Malta. My shps name is X" got approved? Fair, balanced, and unobjective, i think not. I know they all had destroyers, and i am (or maybe was) willing to trade down, but not now after they simply put me on kos before giving me ample time to sell the ship for scrap.

We put you on KoS because you refused to sell the ship, bub. You want to sell it? Good! Do it and we'll take it down, but the simple fact of the matter is you mouthed off to us and denied our authority. If you're not running from Outcast space very quickly you'll probably end up with a bullet in your head. I'm willing to forgive your blatant disregard for the law of the land and let you keep the Destroyer, but I will not authorize the purchase of Outcast Dreadnoughts for anything besides a proper Outcast Military player.

Oh, and did I mention that a software block would be considered hacking? Yeah. Problem.

Quote:If this measure is just a rubber stamp to prove a player can Role Play
That's exactly what it is, Laowai, a way to deal with people who can't RP so the people that can have clean space to play in. I will not stand for the 'Discovery Capwhore's Union' trying to shut us down because, simply, it is an Out of Roleplay orgnaization and has no bearing as such as to what the 101st does. You honestly think you can just put yourselves above us like that? I really don't think that works...

The only ships that the 101st are likely to deny sale of are the Battleship and Dreadnought, pure and simple, and I'll say it again: They are military ships. A corporations should not have a Battleship. Why on earth would they need one? Too expensive to maintain, and they're civilians. Let's give Microsoft a fleet of US Navy Destroyers and a couple of old Nimitzes, sure, what the heck? I think not.

EDIT:
Quote:I mean I know Eppy's trying with the insane crew idea and all, but that won't work if the entire ship's crew is robotic would it?
Automation of a ship that large isn't practical or eveybody'd have robotic Battleships, thus invalidating the point of the game.

Quote:Why have the 101st police the situation?
Because the Admins have a full plate and minor RP violations get ignored; as long as it doesn't break a server rule there's nothing they can do. That's where the player factions come in.

Quote:Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen
Eppy Wrote:Which Dreadnought was that?
n00bl3t Wrote:One of your nine. Tongue
Offline n00bl3t
05-23-2008, 11:26 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-23-2008, 11:29 AM by n00bl3t.)
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' Wrote:You honestly think a single Dreadnought can take us down? You've never flown a Battleship before, have you?

Here's my dig with his Roleplay. He's running a business, and a small one. Here he is, buying a ship from a base that the 101st fully and wholly controls. It's in the 101st Guard System, giving us explicit permission to deny him that purchase and pursue him to the ends of the earth. And then there's the matter of the lovely Dreadnought itself. I'll go get the infocard:
See the problem? Why would the Outcast Guard sell a massive construct like that to a corporation? They need it for defensive purposes.
There aren't supposed to be large numbers of them, just a scant few. It's not even practical for what he wants, which is to fly around owning people that 'threaten his business interests'. What? That's not what we make Battleships for. Gunboats and Destroyers are much more suited for the task, and they're available.

He says he wants an Outcast Battleship now. How about no? Same thought process as the Dreadnought. It's smaller and cheaper and available for limited export, but not to a corporation, and don't anybody try to question me on the feasibility of that because I designed that ship.

Answer: Get a Destroyer. Scratch out everything to do with the Dreadnought and buy a Destroyer instead (I say scratch it out because after what he's somehow managed to do, read, one man commandeering an entire dreadnought from a protected military facility). No problems, no red tape, just a post with the ship's name and good behavior.
That constitutes an RP? The Corsairs would eat you alive (only half joking). Do you expect them to take their most hated enemy in just for fun, and do you honestly expect an Outcast to defect because the Military wouldn't let him fly his stolen Battleship? Sounds like a little kid having a temper tantrum.

Now, before anybody invokes the He Payed For It Bla Bla Bla argument, riddle me this. Could Bill Gates go down to US Navy Headquarters and tell the secretary "Hi, I'm Bill Gates, I'd like to buy the USS Iowa, please."? Chances are Bill, despite being the single richest human alive, is going to get taken away by the people in white coats. Same deal here.
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO LAND ON CORSICA. It's in the 101st Guard System, and hence we have total control over landing rights. Indeed, being in the system at all without the prior authorization of an Outcast faction is illegal.
We put you on KoS because you refused to sell the ship, bub. You want to sell it? Good! Do it and we'll take it down, but the simple fact of the matter is you mouthed off to us and denied our authority. If you're not running from Outcast space very quickly you'll probably end up with a bullet in your head. I'm willing to forgive your blatant disregard for the law of the land and let you keep the Destroyer, but I will not authorize the purchase of Outcast Dreadnoughts for anything besides a proper Outcast Military player.

Oh, and did I mention that a software block would be considered hacking? Yeah. Problem.
That's exactly what it is, Laowai, a way to deal with people who can't RP so the people that can have clean space to play in. I will not stand for the 'Discovery Capwhore's Union' trying to shut us down because, simply, it is an Out of Roleplay orgnaization and has no bearing as such as to what the 101st does. You honestly think you can just put yourselves above us like that? I really don't think that works...

The only ships that the 101st are likely to deny sale of are the Battleship and Dreadnought, pure and simple, and I'll say it again: They are military ships. A corporations should not have a Battleship. Why on earth would they need one? Too expensive to maintain, and they're civilians. Let's give Microsoft a fleet of US Navy Destroyers and a couple of old Nimitzes, sure, what the heck? I think not.

Major military strike: He's already said that he will post in the employment section. That would mean that he's thinking of a lot more than one Outcast dreadnought.

Also, the Iowa's been stricken. It's currently available for donation as a museum or a memorial, I think Bill Gates could easily claim to put up a memorial and buy it.

Edit:

' Wrote:Automation of a ship that large isn't practical or eveybody'd have robotic Battleships, thus invalidating the point of the game.

Maybe not in your RP. But in mine...well that's the beauty of RP isn't it.

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Offline Jihadjoe
05-23-2008, 11:28 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-23-2008, 12:12 PM by Jihadjoe.)
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Ok... Would you agree that the Outcast factions (101st RoS and BLS) represent outcast law? I would say yes, we do. We represent the decision makers, the real movers and shakers in outcast society, both its military (101st and RoS) and financial (BLS). Remembering that the OUtcasts are not a democratic society here.

Now, do other groups, KSP and KNF and RM, for example, police and enforce their own localised rules outside of their guard systems... ermmmm yes they do. There is a well established precedent of doing this. We just went, "Wow, what a jolly good idea!" and did the very same thing. They have all been doing this for a very long time and I have seen as both the RP and the realism of the number of capships has improved.

I have seen people get their heads down and write an RP story for the sake of flying an outcast ship, and get approved for flying it having put in comparatively little effort (especialy when compared to what it takes to get a Rhienland cap, those guys are VERY VERY strict on what constitutes good rp).

This whole measure is to get those who semi-rp in their capships to fully launch into it, and got get the roflcoptors and lolzors less visable by moving them out of their extremely dangerous and powerful ships.

On the note of NPC's being too powerful and that being the reason for people flying caps. Well... I fly around in my sabre or eagle a lot of the time I don't have any problem unless I activate unlucky mode by alt tabbing to desktop... thet invariably gets me killed. :lol:

' Wrote:Major military strike: He's already said that he will post in the employment section. That would mean that he's thinking of a lot more than one Outcast dreadnought.

Also, the Iowa's been stricken. It's currently available for donation as a museum or a memorial, I think Bill Gates could easily claim to put up a memorial and buy it.

Edit:
Maybe not in your RP. But in mine...well that's the beauty of RP isn't it.

Bill gates then wouldn't sail that thing around on his own (what?!?!) as a full blown warship would he, fully loaded and armed... I somehow don't think that any government would be happy with a private individual, totaly unaccountable, could be sailing something that could cause a major diplomatic incident, or rain down firey death onto say... Steve Jobs' house, would they now...

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But put guns back on it and sal the ocean blue, enforcing Microsoft's will? I think not.

Quote:Major military strike: He's already said that he will post in the employment section. That would mean that he's thinking of a lot more than one Outcast dreadnought.

He's screwed. I really doubt he can rustle up enough players within RP to take on the RoS, BLS and 101st.

Quote:Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen
Eppy Wrote:Which Dreadnought was that?
n00bl3t Wrote:One of your nine. Tongue
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05-23-2008, 11:32 AM,
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' Wrote:But put guns back on it and sal the ocean blue, enforcing Microsoft's will? I think not.
He's screwed. I really doubt he can rustle up enough players within RP to take on the RoS, BLS and 101st.

Credits are a powerful incentive.

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Offline Jihadjoe
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Yes they are, but note how eppy said WITHIN RP...

That plus the fact that we have a lot of very talented pilots who would be more than willing to put a stop to this complete nonsence. I would love to see this tried, I really would. It simple oorp pvp whoring 'cos someone can't do what they want to do.

More credits than sence.

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Offline mazdamack
05-23-2008, 12:31 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-23-2008, 12:50 PM by mazdamack.)
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oh eppy, where to start.

i would guess that i should start with the misquoting you did to my relpies.

even heard of fair and balanced here

1) - you only quoted -
"Thinking about an rp event where i defect to the corsairs just becuse of this"
it origonally read
"Thinking about an rp event where i defect to the corsairs just becuse of this, but probably not gonna go that far."
2) - you stated -
"I am still planning a major military strike against the 101st to 'liberate' one from their shipyards. Think 100 Million per pilot plus expences plus bonuses would be enough? Any really good merc with EXCELLENT RP SKILLS keep your eyes open in the employment office.
You honestly think a single Dreadnought can take us down? You've never flown a Battleship before, have you?"
what part of per pilot did you not comprehend. Think someone else arleady pointed this out, but i couldnt help

Next, as i have stated, this ship was purchased prior to learning of this new reasonably justifiable policy and my origonal willingness to wokr it out in both rp and irl forms

Next -
We put you on KoS because you refused to sell the ship, bub.

heres the sequence of events as verififed by the post times in the registration breaur
1 - i incorrectly contact the BLS thinking since i work for them they could give me their blessings
2 - you give a "resounding no".
3 - conversation moved to revevant thread within 30 miutes
4 - i make lucrative proposal in which i also ask what ship i am allowed to fly (important part here pay attention)
5 - i am put kos because of the (unnoficial) tool you used to see that i already purchased the ship.

i noticed that the registration link main intro has been edited to remove the grace period you previously mentioned. thats why i refused to sell it, because if im gonna get shot at for no reason, i want the best defence i can buy. notice i didnt say offence (more on that to come).

Also the tool you used to prove i had the ship. if you are going to use this tool of your to hunt down your enemies, i suggest that it be done all at once if possible to avoid confusion and sewem like you are not singling out someone particular. you say you have 25 dread.'s, wheere are they. if you know of the number, surely you know of some of their names. how many bs's, where are they? shall i mention the gunboatd and destroyers that i have seen today alone that arent on the list (and yes, i went looking ofr them the good ol' rp way - scouting with my eyes and long range scanners)

Also after some of the strong workding that eppy has used, not just to me but others in this post alone (none of which is in rp i beleive) it seems eppy is a little angry. i can understand that, but that leaves no reason for semi-personal attacks. You should be calm when dealing with this situation as i have been and think about it sometime after you have calmed down. I would ahte to see some of the ingame rp insults you throw around, think they might be kinda interesting.

also you asked me if i have ever flown a bs before - No i havent, but i can do research. Reading the fourms even before i purchased the ship, i learned that most cap ship are not good in a fight. like i said earlier, pvp is kinda rectricted by the bs/pirate id, so it was for show and rp. No like i was gonna start a one man war against the lsf or something. i know i would be eating alive.

sorry to continue the flaming guys but im feeling a lot like im under attack here, and without justifiable cause. eppy, please lighten up. This is a game, and a game is supposed to be fun. all of our confsion could have been resolved by smilpy saying buy a destroyer, i cant let you have a dreadie. instead you decided to shoot first and ask question later. all of this is not fun, which is why we are all here in the first place.

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' Wrote:He's screwed. I really doubt he can rustle up enough players within RP to take on the RoS, BLS and 101st.

oh, i almost forgot about this one -

if you pilots are so numerous, how did i get in the system, but the ship, and get out without being approached by even one 101st pilot or captain. Check your log book, you wont see any mention of it, nor their tellming me that the ship was illgeal prior to this incident starting. I dont think a well timed strike would have trouble getting to corsica if this tendency continued.

Although i did notice greatly increaded presence in the omicrons today. All of which were enforcing the new cap ship policy btw. sound like a knee-jerk recation to me, not the prohibitive one that would have stopped me from buying the ship in the first place

and sorry for my poor spelling and grammar. they need to put a spell check in this thing

Quote:Jinx (in a sanction report) -
"better remember that talking to them about it should be done before you go off and report them. - a sanction often hurts more than it helps - assistance and understanding can - in a lot of situations be much more beneficial. "
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