Are outcast cap ships now open to any ID?

[Zero755]

Wow, 18 pages of this. I believe I have a unique perspective as one of the indies. In relative terms I am new to the server and the forums. I have an indie Outcast that flies a Destroyer. This whole arguement about registering, or faction vs indie is rediculous. I bought my Dessie, and a few days later was asked (In a very polite and professional manner) if it was registered. I said no because I did not know it needed to be. The 101st pilot in question then politely told me where to go.

Akumabito if you are comparing this to hoops that must be jumped through then so be it. But allow me to expand on that analogy: a midget could STEP through these hoops. It took me literally 5 mins to cook up something that i thought would suffice for an RP background for my ship. Turns out I didnt have to go that far. Kallisto just basically said, "Hey im here this is my ship" and was approved. This is not to oppress the indies, I am an indie and i have never felt oppressed by any of the Outcast Factions. They dont care if you are 101st, BLS or RoS all they care about is that IF you have a capship you role play it. Everyone has probably had the expierance of some one in a capship blow them up for no reason and then laugh about it. THIS is what the 101st is trying to combat. They arent out to get you if you arent part of their faction.

As for forcing good rp'rs to register against their will, if they truely are a good Rper, it will take them maybe 5 to 10 mins to cook up a story, another 5 or so to type it up depending on length, and post it. If they dont want to spend half an hour to do this, (Which in my modest opinion requires little more than two brain cells occasionally colliding to do) they are quite frankly be lazy. If you can invest all the time into gathering the funds to buy and equip said cap ship then you can cough up half an hour to post something. (Or in Kallisto's case thirty seconds)

This has gone on way to long, some one is going to have an anurism. Go drink some Rum and be happy.

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[Jihadjoe]

May I just point out, that no one has ever been 'pvp whored' by an outcast faction over this. That is a veryu last resort that we havn't as yet had to resort to. Could people please get their facts sorted before they say things.

There is also no-one on a KOS ist over this, nor will ther ever be, simply becuase we prefer to talk about things. as I think I have proved by sticking with this so consistantly for the last few days. I was deeply saddened by the faqct that yet again my owrds have been twisted in order to form a weak arguement which is only going to make someone look even more silly.

Now. I am very very tired of this and as such I am going to stop. Akumbito I admire your persistance to prove that you're right. that takes some blind will ans sheer bloody mindedness. Well done mate, congrats.

I know for a fact that your arguements count for nothing as you have lost track of any sense of reason. You don't know the indidviduals who are enforcing this whereas I do, nor have you taken into account the problem that we're attempting to deal with.

I'm not going to post in this thread anymore, and if you want to argue you can do so with yourself, maybe you can make yourself see some reason. I honestly don't know where you have got this weird idea that we're out to get indies. Infact we invite them on raids and roleplay with the as much as posible, they are valuable parts of this comunity. so please stop saying that. I find it both offensive and hurtful. I was an indy at one point, before I joined a faction and all the outcasts were nothing but polite and pleasent to me. If however you treat people with hostility from the outset as you have done, you can expect no better in return.

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[mazdamack]

Man, i cant beleive that this is STILL going on. :crazy::rolleyes:

so here my next 2 cents

1) teflon_tron said -

"and the second was a player bought a DN to protect his business.(if you want the names ill PM them to you and links to relevant topics. cause the matter between these player has been resolved and i dont want old wounds to open)

yes, please dont, i have yet to have the stitches removed. Doc says they will probably need to stay in for a month or so.

2) the whole bad rp-thing, or introducing new people (like me) to better rp -

hey, im better for all this mess (looks back at doctors bill for the stitches), and now i know just how deep the rp level goes - a lot more than it does seem at first.

leading up to the next point JihadJoe wrote -

May I just point out, that no one has ever been 'pvp whored' by an outcast faction over this.

While technically correct, it is about a hair away from the point of being wrong. I was almost but never destroyed, but it did lead to a quick return to the talking table by both sides. (wounds starting to hurt again, takes more pills)

3) a few posts back akumabito asked, and Teflon_tron needed clarification -

*How is it justifyable RP wise to dictate another player as a traitor when they aren't in order to PvPwhore them?

i know exactally what he means (rubs rear end with doctors bill). he means what the 101st, RoS, BLS (yes you b.orlov but its all good) were gonna do to me, shoot to kill if i refused to sell it, whenever, whereever i was or going or gonna be (strangely enough i only got away from malta). and i think i have a good answer (remember i was the one who wanted the dreading)

If they had good rp skills to begin with, then they would probably get approved. what do i mean by good rp skills here - knowing what exactally can and cant be done in rp laws with one of these. had i not been turned down, the SpacePrivateer would have probably already been sanctioned for oorp and imprisoned, assuming it made it out of alpha in one peice. remember how someone (i think eppy, not sure) said they were taking the loads off the admins by dong this - one less sanction to worry about (but im not saying thank you yet - stitches throbbing most uncomfortabbly)

Hey, im one of the indies on the other side, the one who was the only one to get shot at by the 101st (btw, i think that was you too teflon, was it, hmmmmmm, i waiting) and i can see their point in this now. I think its a good idea.


(ohh, my wounds are hurting worse than a corsair in alpha now, and the only one who shot at me were teflon wia the 101st and some other guy. your gonna pay the doctor bills, gimme you lawyers name and number now)

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Jinx (in a sanction report) -
"better remember that talking to them about it should be done before you go off and report them. - a sanction often hurts more than it helps - assistance and understanding can - in a lot of situations be much more beneficial. "

Xoria (about cheaters\modders)
He can run from Tenacity, but he can't hide from Ioncross

(out of context, so not gonna name em'
NY is the portal to the very darkest regions of the netherworld.

[mazdamack]

i need to go to sleep now. i almost forgot this

Zero755 said -

all they care about is that IF you have a capship you role play it. Everyone has probably had the expierance of some one in a capship blow them up for no reason and then laugh about it. THIS is what the 101st is trying to combat.

Had this happen to me not an hour ago. If you would please, gimme some input here -

http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16636

but whatever you do, just dont let it go on for 19 pages.

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Jinx (in a sanction report) -
"better remember that talking to them about it should be done before you go off and report them. - a sanction often hurts more than it helps - assistance and understanding can - in a lot of situations be much more beneficial. "

Xoria (about cheaters\modders)
He can run from Tenacity, but he can't hide from Ioncross

(out of context, so not gonna name em'
NY is the portal to the very darkest regions of the netherworld.

[timmychen]

Man, i cant beleive that this is STILL going on. :crazy::rolleyes:

[AdamantineFist]

Ah, Zero755, I think you've done a great job of explaining what's going on. We are in no way trying to destroy all indie Outcast caps. All we are doing is trying to make sure that no one misuses their capships. It honestly doesn't take a herculean effort to get it registered. All we're really asking is that you tell us you have it, that you RP it, and that you act responsibly with it. That's all.

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[podcof]

Hey, im one of the indies on the other side, the one who was the only one to get shot at by the 101st (btw, i think that was you too teflon, was it, hmmmmmm, i waiting) and i can see their point in this now. I think its a good idea.
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iv admitted to it numerous times here already:$

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Alex.Vega[101st]

Omicron-85: KEEP OUT! |

[n00bl3t]

You are so wrong there. Ship locations are just as screwed up as weapon spots. Anubis on Planet Kurile, GMG ships on Rheinland bases, the Marsflyer in general...

I won't address the other bit, as that is up to the 101st. However...
If you can provide a plausible story involving a battleship being made outside of Malta, go ahead. I doubt anyone would believe you though. You can't just make a battleship out of nowhere in the middle of the pacific.

Just because they have the ID and IFF, does not mean they are in character. They might (and I have seen ships which) have silly weapons and other equipment. They might be lolling about in system chat, engaging nomads for "fun" and camping Manhattan. If I get a Rheinland Military ID, IFF and ship, yet kill Daumann traders, is that in character?

How about my rheinlander sits in Kusari killing Blood Dragons. Is that in character?

While you may say "report report you don't need to restrict everyone", the admins don't get every person. I personally have seen many of my reports go unnoticed (sorry Admins). Not every oorp person or rulebreaker gets punished, so the official factions in this case are trying to help out the admins. They are introducing people to the forums, and in some cases helping the players write stories for their characters. What is so bad about that?
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Now here's a question. If the Liberty Rogues for example, decided to make restrictions on their Rogue Gunboats, would you complain?
If they decided that you had to register on a forum database to use the ship legally, would you complain?
If they had all the decision to decide whether you can peacefully use your ship, without persecution from said faction, would you complain?

This is happening all over the place, in many factions. Some are even more restrictive than the 101st. If you are campaigning for the rights of independents to play in peace, you MUST concern your arguments for all of the factions involved. Why? Well, independents in capitals are in every single faction. By only attacking the Outcast policy, it appears that you two (Nooblet especially) are disheartened that you cannot fly your ships wherever, whenever, however.

Yes. And an OC Battleship and an OC Destroyer on Planet Malta is really out of the ordinary.

Being made from the mooring "thing" and built into space. I think that's more than plausible, considering how the ships are made at shipyards and all.

Not every OORP person or rule-breaker needs to get punished. They just need to rectify their actions.

It doesn't affect me, however it affects others and I'm sure they would. Yes I'd complain if it affected me and if I had to register. Yes, I'd complain if it affected me because it's way too much power to the faction.

The OC policy is the only one that affects me, why should I bother with others that don't? If they did, I'd have started a thread.

Wherever, whenever, however. Yes. My OC Destroyer has been to a total of two systems; Omicron Alpha and another co-joining system. Whenever; anyone flies their ship whenever. Are you looking for a non-existent trifecta? However; yes I've said "lol" and I sit outside Manhattan with my OC Destroyer (remembering the two systems bit here) and I kill n00bs and I don't have an RP story(there actually isn't one in my sig) for my Destroyer and I don't come onto the forums(does this really even need brackets?). Anything I've left out here?

Edit:

If however you treat people with hostility from the outset as you have done, you can expect no better in return.

Oh yeah.

*How is it justifyable RP wise to dictate another player as a traitor when they aren't in order to PvP whore them?

i dont understand this one, please clarify.

He means why is it justifiable to RP that the ships have had a failure in the cardamine aerolizers (which is rather weird considering each outcast is meant to have their own independent breather mask, there's a rumour I have screen-shotted saying this as well) and therefore have to be killed (that's the PVP-whoring bit).

Wouldn't it be better to tell the Captain to turn on his cardamine aerosilizers? (Get the hell back into Character and RP, politely.)

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[sovereign]

Oh yeah.
i dont understand this one, please clarify.
He means why is it justifiable to RP that the ships have had a failure in the cardamine aerolizers (which is rather weird considering each outcast is meant to have their own independent breather mask, there's a rumour I have screen-shotted saying this as well) and therefore have to be killed (that's the PVP-whoring bit).

Wouldn't it be better to tell the Captain to turn on his cardamine aerosilizers? (Get the hell back into Character and RP, politely.)

Just going to poke at this one, I believe they WOULD tell him to turn on the cardamine aerosilizers. ANYTHING to try and coax some RP out of them. I believe that shooting would occur only after all efforts had failed and it became blatantly obvious that the individual both A) had no idea they needed to RP an Outcast ship captain and B) refused to come to the forums/resolve the issue.

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[mazdamack]

I believe they WOULD tell him to turn on the cardamine aerosilizers. ANYTHING to try and coax some RP out of them. I believe that shooting would occur only after all efforts had failed and it became blatantly obvious that the individual both A) had no idea they needed to RP an Outcast ship captain and B) refused to come to the forums/resolve the issue.

ahem, i was shot after others had seen me rp'ing in it. ask teflon, he was there as the BLS, and the next day when i launch, the 101st just starts shooting. perhaps my rping isnt the best yet, but all i got was fired at, not nudged, shoved, coaxed, or threated into better rp'ing.

EDIT : Teflon, yeah, i aint holding it against ya. never did, just joshin ya buddy!

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Jinx (in a sanction report) -
"better remember that talking to them about it should be done before you go off and report them. - a sanction often hurts more than it helps - assistance and understanding can - in a lot of situations be much more beneficial. "

Xoria (about cheaters\modders)
He can run from Tenacity, but he can't hide from Ioncross

(out of context, so not gonna name em'
NY is the portal to the very darkest regions of the netherworld.