Nomad Capship Weapons

[Dennis Jameson]

You seem to be missing the big picture. their allies are also weak, and fairly resource poor themselves, and are involved in their own conflicts. The idea that the Junkers are going to supply large quantities of raw materials to the outcasts just doesn't hold water.

You go to outcast space there are no NPC transports to speak of, therefore no supply chain, they just don't have any resources.

Secondly, the outcasts loose attrition wise. Even if the rumors are true that they live longer, they don't reproduce, they are a dying society with only a single planet, that's all your eggs in one basket.

Thirdly, cardi affects their brains, leading to eventual insanity.

Fourthly, they have no core proficiency in cap ship construction. Unlike the four big houses who have been making cap ships for years, outcasts simply lack the knowledge to produce such ships on their own.

Outcasts are largely isolated, that isolation keeps them alive when otherwise their enemies would overwhelm and destroy them, but coupled with their drug addiction and their complete lack of resources and knowledge means they would realistically have no in house cap ship production, just like in the original game.

Oh Peeeeh-leeeezeeee. The Red Hessians are quite able to provide the outcasts with what is needed to build ships, as are the mollys. They're both ex miners, after all. Sure, you could argue that the Hessians and Mollys only deal with the more "expensive" minerals out there, i can accept that, but you also need to keep in mind that they raid the mining companies that cost them their jobs, these minerals could then shipped up to the outcasts for ship building purposes.

This is what i imagine is happening "off stage"... The Hessians and Mollys gather the raw materials, some of it is shipped off to the Molly production station and is used to build Liberty Rogue style ships, a little bit is then shipped off to the lane hackers to cator their production lines and the rest goes up to the outcasts.

Possible future argument: "Sure, they get the raw materials, but where do they get the technological components!" - Is it really so far-fetched to asume that the outcasts can build their own components? Heck no, is my answer to that question.

*sigh* The gist of this post is that you shouldn't question everything you see *glares at Akuma* leave some things to your imagination, provided that you have any imagination. :P

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10/6

[sovereign]

Akumabito, have you read the rumors on Malta? Or even the news? They DO have shipbuilding experience, and the cardamine makes their minds sharper, not duller. It was designed by the Daam K'Vosh to do that and prolong life, it just happens to have a narcotic effect as well. No joke, check the Nomad backstory Klaw found.

Plus, the Junkers will do anything shy of violating neutrality or hurting their own for money, and are VERY good at moving unseen. They have access to every scrap-field in Sirius, and can produce ship components just fine. The Outcasts have money beyond comprehension, unbelievable leverage on anyone addicted to cardamine (they can always just cut you off), and to top it off they have the entire planetary remains of Corsica to grab minerals from. They have a shipyard and major installation in Omicron-85, and the contacts to wage full scale wars against the Corsairs, who, if I might add, outnumber them about five to one, are located in the heart of Sirius's mineral resources, and are allied to the Order, who despite having not the best military lead Sirius in revolutionary technology. Hell, the Order allied to the Corsairs for their shipbuilding capabilities- if the Outcasts are holding their own against that, don't you think they have to have some stuff going for them?

Please, you are fighting an uphill battle against tanks. The Outcasts are far stronger than you argue they are, just live with it...

Do I need to have Eppy smack you around for suggesting the Outcasts are fragile?

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[Akumabito]

Oh Peeeeh-leeeezeeee. The Red Hessians are quite able to provide the outcasts with what is needed to build ships, as are the mollys.

Not for cap ships, and in fact ot underlines the lack of resources the outcasts do have, that they fly border world ships rather than their own like most factions.

It's not about imagination, that's for the "I stole it" people and the "I'm a rich freelancer so I can buy a dreadnaught" people, if that argument doesn't work on a small scale how can people support it on a large scale?

In truth, the hessians have far more ship building capability than the outcasts, far more resources, far more proficiency. How does it make sense that the outcasts have dreadnaughts and the hessians don't?

And in truth, if you combine the resources of the outcasts and their allies, it still doesn't match the houses.

More to the point, with Kusari and Bretonia at war, this is where we should see the best equipment, the best turrets and cap ships being produced.

The whole dispersion of turrets and cap ships makes no sense, and it should make sense.

[sovereign]

Not for cap ships, and in fact ot underlines the lack of resources the outcasts do have, that they fly border world ships rather than their own like most factions.

It's not about imagination, that's for the "I stole it" people and the "I'm a rich freelancer so I can buy a dreadnaught" people, if that argument doesn't work on a small scale how can people support it on a large scale?

In truth, the hessians have far more ship building capability than the outcasts, far more resources, far more proficiency. How does it make sense that the outcasts have dreadnaughts and the hessians don't?

And in truth, if you combine the resources of the outcasts and their allies, it still doesn't match the houses.

More to the point, with Kusari and Bretonia at war, this is where we should see the best equipment, the best turrets and cap ships being produced.

The whole dispersion of turrets and cap ships makes no sense, and it should make sense.

While I agree that Bretonia and Kusari should be using cutting edge technology on their ships (say, oh, codenames perhaps, that's what they are), where the hell are you getting this idea that the Hessians have better shipbuilding capability? Where do you hide a shipyard in Rheinland? You can't do it! The RM will rip it to pieces! Plus, the Hessians are situated atop the diamond reserves- by all means, try making a ship out of diamonds. Then hit it with a cannonball (not the missile, an actual cannonball) and watch it fly apart because diamonds are very brittle.

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[Dennis Jameson]

It's about using your imagination to fill out the blanks. It's not about seeing a couple of NPC transports docking at a station called "SHIPYARD LULZ", it's about imagining that said transports are commanded by individuals smart enough to stay hidden and deliver their goods in a safe and proper way. You said it yourself; It's a deadly region of Sirius.

Sovereign is correct in his statement that you are fighting an uphill battle. Just drop it, we're just derailing the thread.

Nomad guns, nomad guns, nomad guns... Deadly orbs of blue jello. DISCUSS, before the goverment shuts the thread down!

Edit: Sweet tulips of armageddon! I used the word "It's" alot in this post...

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10/6

[sovereign]

Howabout we just get said government to shut this thread down? It was hot from the start, and its just getting worse. Thanks Akumabito, you baked me a pie!:D

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[Treewyrm]

I start to think that Akumabito has been playing a completely different game where it just happens to be some group called "outcast". I'm afraid this has no relation to The Outcasts from Freelancer. Really, really way off the track here, Akumabito, and statements such as "their complete lack of resources and knowledge" really make me laugh. Heh.

[Akumabito]

Akumabito, have you read the rumors on Malta?

Those are just rumors, carti is a narcotic and narcotics dull the mind.

The outcasts do not have money beyond comprehension, heck, diamond trading is as profitable as carti trading, and that's just a fraction of what the houses have available to them.

Where are the transports going to Malta? Have you seen any besides a few smugglers? Where are the trade lanes to promote efficient trade?

The outcasts have a fraction of the resources of a real house, a fraction of the population, a fraction of the infrastructure.

the contacts to wage full scale wars against the Corsairs, who, if I might add, outnumber them about five to one, are located in the heart of Sirius's mineral resources, and are allied to the Order, who despite having not the best military lead Sirius in revolutionary technology. Hell, the Order allied to the Corsairs for their shipbuilding capabilities- if the Outcasts are holding their own against that, don't you think they have to have some stuff going for them?

That's my point, they don't have enough going for them to survive. The current situation isn't based on any realities in the game, it's simply based on looking the other way when it comes to how things should be working out for them.

Also, they can't cut anyone addicted to cardi off without cutting everyone addicted to cartii off, and if they do that their economy collapses, as it will when synthetic carti is developed (which should have happened already).

[jammi]

Not for cap ships, and in fact ot underlines the lack of resources the outcasts do have, that they fly border world ships rather than their own like most factions.

S'cuse me? The Outcasts made, own and sell the border world ships. They don't just have a vice like grip on the narcotics trade you know... Next time you argue about this sort of stuff get your facts straight.

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[sovereign]

Right, at first I thought he was just misinformed, now I'm completely agreeing with Treewyrm here.

I seriously doubt that any plant designed to improve intelligence and lifespan by the Daam K'Vosh would actually, in reality, dull your intelligence. Funny how that works.

Please, your arguments make sense for a Freelancer we don't play in. Let it go.

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