Why can't Corsairs use Tigershark instead of bugged Arwing

[Dopamino]

It wasn't an ending, it was a statement that left plenty of stones yet to be uncovered.

I think that if the Corsairs shouldn't use a ship, then they shouldn't use it. The Tigershark is exceptionally agile, much more so than any Corsair ship would ever be. That gives them an unfair advantage that they normally would never have. If the Corsair LF is messed up, just don't use it. If the other LFs are non-options (which almost all of them are, including the Tigershark) then just hold off on using LFs for a while. Say there was a machine error on the assembly line and all of the Decurions got a stabilizer installed backwards or something.

Before you call me a hypocrite or attack the Outcast side, I would say the exact same thing if the Scimitar was messed up. I don't even like my guys using Blood Dragon or Hessian gear, etc. But, this discussion is about the Corsairs and I'd like to keep it that way.

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[mjolnir]

I think that if the Corsairs shouldn't use a ship, then they shouldn't use it. The Tigershark is exceptionally agile, much more so than any Corsair ship would ever be. That gives them an unfair advantage that they normally would never have. If the Corsair LF is messed up, just don't use it.

Someone is kind of blind here :rtfm:

It is EXACTLY the same as the Corsair Arwing in all stats. Exactly as agile.. exactly same armor....

it does not add anything!

Now when you are happy and corsairs can't use the Tigershark they use the Arwing... which has the added "bonus" that its guns and projectiles are invisible.

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[McNeo]

Right, so because somebody messed up putting it into the mod, we all have to suffer?

I am quite impressed that you hold those views close to your heart Dopamino, but I think you are within the tiny minority on your side that feel the same way with those convictions.

I dont think this would've been a problem if the Corsairs had continued to lose the fights that we were in. After all, we must restrict the Corsairs from winning. If it cannot be done fairly, pulling a few strings here and there wont hurt, as no one can prove a thing. And besides, they're slimy Corsairs who search for loopholes, invade Liberty and break PvP rules, right? So we're within our rights to do this. Right?!?

We can't use any LF? Okay, that means an automatic win for the Outcasts. But, that isnt a problem is it? After all, only those cheating ooRPers are suffering.

Civilian guns are, FYI, acquired ingame via trading Del cids with the AFA in exchange for debilitator models as well as food and other supplies.

It is also a well known fact that The Brotherhood shares its gains with all the Corsairs, so an arms deal with the Brotherhood is an arms deal with the Corsairs. I didn't have to state it when TBH was younger, as we were the only Corsair faction. Now, I have to say it, as it seems to have conveniently slipped from some people's minds.

Then again, all these points are neither here nor there, as they wont change the dominance here. I just like to point out what I see as obvious discrepancies before me. Of course, it could have all been a coincidence...:dry:.

[Dopamino]

Someone is kind of blind here :rtfm:

It is EXACTLY the same as the Corsair Arwing in all stats. Exactly as agile.. exactly same armor....

it does not add anything!

Now when you are happy and corsairs can't use the Tigershark they use the Arwing... which has the added "bonus" that its guns and projectiles are invisible.

You misunderstood what I was saying. I don't think the Arwing should even have been considered for being added to the mod. What I WAS saying was that no real Corsair ship (e.g. the Titan ship line) would ever be that agile.
We've all had to "suffer" at some time due to something being messed up in the mod.
You guys are in a tough place right now, sailing between Charybdis and Scylla. Luckily there's safer waters ahead: the next mod update.

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[Jihadjoe]

It is also a well known fact that The Brotherhood shares its gains with all the Corsairs, so an arms deal with the Brotherhood is an arms deal with the Corsairs. I didn't have to state it when TBH was younger, as we were the only Corsair faction. Now, I have to say it, as it seems to have conveniently slipped from some people's minds.

Connor. Not everyone has been here since forever. I have only been here since the 12 of november ;ast year. Now the TBH were well established then.
Things like that need to be re-stated once in a while for those of us who don't know.
Pardon my ignorance.

*bows*

edit... Just realised I may have come across as being really sarcastic there, that wasn't meant to be in that tone. Take it as a striaghtforward way of saying that I didn't know thw TBH's diplomacy was the diplomacy for al the 'sairs, incluing weps deals etc.

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[globalplayer-svk]

i was thinking this thread is closed but no, dopamino only one question

you are saying that corsairs can not have agile ships, titan line etc.
ok, i agree, give the decurion a lot more armor, for example 9000 forward firing turret and torpedo slot. so it is strong and less agile light fighter, it is how you mean that? titan has more armour and stronger powerplant, so give the same to decurion.
or it will be better to have thing slower as sabre, with 4 guns and 6k armour as it is now? or it will be better for you dopamino ?
corsair ships are less agile, that is true, but they compensate it with better weapons and with power. in weapons our only advantage, the shield busters, are gone, now all can have shieldbusters, (and dont type that tizona is better as debilitators,maybe is, but debilitators are shield busters too) so what we have, strongest ships? where? only our really strong and good ship for its class is gunboat. masive,big, and strong. but other? dreadnought? not the strongest ship, cruiser? not the strongest ship, titan? stronger powerplant, thats only, centurion? classic heavy fighter, less agile as most. and decurion? typed above...
so next time when you type something about that one side has not something in their shipline, type please with what it is compensate in origin....and corsair compensate agility with power. but not in this version.

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[Dopamino]

I was saying the Tigershark is too agile. It doesn't fit the Corsair design template.
The Decurion won't need <strike>compensation</strike> negative compensation when it's fixed and made more agile because it was a mistake to have the agility so low for it in the first place. It might need more firepower and armor too, I don't know. I've never flown one.

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[McNeo]

Joe, I recently changed it seeing as I don't really want to keep restating things that I feel only need to be said, or even implied once.

So, the Brotherhood and our other partner in the deal will choose whether to allow the Corsairs the use of weapons and/or ships in arms deals. Every time one of those agreements is made, we will state the type it is to be.

The latest one with Dr Zakartist is for the Brotherhood only, once the man and his team perfect their design, which I feel is a long way off.

I will try to reaffirm the other deals that we have and state their areas of use in the future after my exams have passed.

After all, it will mean that I do not have to reaffirm everything, and everyone will be happier;)

[Equinox]

The reason why Corsair ships where not as agile as other ships is because in vanilla FL they had the advantage in weapons, shield busters and the like but now we do not have that advantage do you really think it reasonable that they would carry on making such heavy ships?. I don't think so.

Oh I forgot, its not Discovery unless the Corsairs are on the losing side!.

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[RingoW]

:shok:

Seems i have opened Pandoras (Shoe)box.

@mjolnir: I was referring to Blood Dragon and Red Catamaran for instance.

More important for me was the "Common Sense" aspect. I have nothing against players, using equipment of their allies/friends (as long as it is kept in a certain frame).

I also do not want the Decurion as the most agile fighter. Let it has the worst agility of all LF's, but even the less manoeuverable LF should be more agile than every HF/VHF.

To be in line with corsair development. Decurion might be the worst LF in its agility, but with 4 guns, 1 turret, the ability to mount Mini Razor and more agility than every HF/VHF.

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