Hitting cruise to catch up an afterburnering pilot

[Akumabito]

Thank you Mjolnir ... wouldn't you say that thrusting away (in a faster ship) is gaining an advantage in a fight? Since he is thrusting beyond your guns ... if he returns he's shield running.

You neglect the point that part of his forces, the AFA pilot, was with me the entire time, and in gun range as well.

As I understand it, you are not allowed to use cruise in a fight to catch a part of the fight that has gotten far away. Do you have a different take on that rule?

[timmychen]

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[Baltar]

You neglect the point that part of his forces, the AFA pilot, was with me the entire time, and in gun range as well.

As I understand it, you are not allowed to use cruise in a fight to catch a part of the fight that has gotten far away. Do you have a different take on that rule?

But you WERE thrusting away to even escape his friends, right?

I mean ... you can't have it both ways. You either stay in the fight or you don't.

Now ... there is NOTHING in the rules that says you cannot "catch up to" a fight.

Here's a "what if" for ya ... you are in a large battle (10 or so ... 5 on each side). The fight splits into two parts (as is the nature of battle sometimes). So 2 vs 3 on one side and 2 vs 3 on the other ... one side is destroyed from the first part of the battle. They then decide to go and aide their buddies in the other half ... and that part of the "major" battle has drifted 10k away. Are you saying these guys are out of the fight? Or can they cruise back to aide their buddies in the remainder of that "large" battle?

Catch 22 sir.

[sovereign]

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Damn straight. Can this end please? PLEASE?

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[Akumabito]

But you WERE thrusting away to even escape his friends, right?

I mean ... you can't have it both ways. You either stay in the fight or you don't.

But I was still in the fight, still within gun range of one of his group, and had not hit cruise.

This isn't a catch 22, it's a simple scenario that should be answered under the rules.

[Reverend Del]

All I get from this is that the GC was attempting to flee from the combat. By all acounts you succesfully fled from Mjolnir's craft. This does not prevent him chasing you, regardless of whether his grouped wingman was still in firing distance. His wingman is not him, he has gone chasing after one part of the fight whilst you, by your own admission, have begun to flee from the rest of the fight, so long as he has never engaged cruise to catch up to your sister GC, I fail to see what he's done wrong. He never fled from you, he went chasing after your wingwoman, who as far as he was concerned was still an active combatant. You then fled from the fight you were in making you a legal target for all. Grey area I know but that's how I see it from all the flagwaving.

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[Baltar]

But I was still in the fight, still within gun range of one of his group, and had not hit cruise.

This isn't a catch 22, it's a simple scenario that should be answered under the rules.

Ok dude ... congratulations ... you've successfully found a plausible loophole in the rules. Go pat yourself on the back.

The rule was developed long before the mod adjusted the varying speeds of ships. When this rule was made ... ALL ships in Disco had the same thrust speed.

But go ahead and enjoy your victory here. Geez ... the guy chasing you has to leave because you have faster thrust than him ... and YOU are the guy running away.

WELCOME TO DISCO FOLKS.

[Akumabito]

He never fled from you, he went chasing after your wingwoman, who as far as he was concerned was still an active combatant. You then fled from the fight you were in making you a legal target for all. Grey area I know but that's how I see it from all the flagwaving.

The issue is I didn't officially flee from the fight, I was still in gun range with the AFA and hadn't gone to cruise.

So at what point are you officially considered "fleeing" while in afterburner?

I've held off myself going to cruise to catch up with a fight where part of it has moved off. Should I now say "screw it, their using afterburner to get distance from me, that's fleeing so I can cruise"?

[Reverend Del]

The issue is I didn't officially flee from the fight, I was still in gun range with the AFA and hadn't gone to cruise.

So at what point are you officially considered "fleeing" while in afterburner?

I've held off myself going to cruise to catch up with a fight where part of it has moved off. Should I now say "screw it, their using afterburner to get distance from me, that's fleeing so I can cruise"?

So what you're trying to do here is to use the letter of the law to get in the way of the spirit. You have stated in this thread that you were disengaging from the fight. That makes you fleeing, whether or not you engaged cruise. By your own admission this was your intent. You may have never been more than 2k from the AFA but you were more than 2k away from the person you accuse of re-engaging. His intent was to finish off stragglers, your intent was to flee. Where is the issue? If you admit you were fleeing, even if you were not doing so by the letter of the law, what is the problem? Or is it just bitterness at the thought of losing a fight?

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[Akumabito]

So what you're trying to do here is to use the letter of the law to get in the way of the spirit.

Not at all, I am more than happy to abide by the law, spirit or letter, as long as it is applied equally to all rather than being a popularity contest.

You have stated in this thread that you were disengaging from the fight. That makes you fleeing, whether or not you engaged cruise.

Not true, I was fleeing in intent because I had a chance to afterburner some distance away from three to one odds, because the two KNF chased someone else away from the fight, all within the rules.

I'm making an effort to play within a ruleset, but it seems some thinks the rules only have meaning when they want them to.

By your own admission this was your intent. You may have never been more than 2k from the AFA but you were more than 2k away from the person you accuse of re-engaging. His intent was to finish off stragglers, your intent was to flee. Where is the issue? If you admit you were fleeing, even if you were not doing so by the letter of the law, what is the problem?

The problem is I could have gone to cruise but didn't, because I was trying to stay within a set of rules and I expected the same from everyone. I expect too much from others I guess.

Or is it just bitterness at the thought of losing a fight?

Or did the KNF and AFA break the rules out of bitterness over not winning?

Are you mature enough not to resort to cheap shots like that?

If I had wanted to flee by the rules for fleeing, I would have, once the KNF showed up, cruising back in from several k away, I did go to cruise and they never caught me.

I sun dove with them well out of weaps range, but I could have just as easily evaded them, I just didn't want to waste the time when I needed to suicide anyway to restore lost equipment.

The fact of the matter is that nothing I did was even questionable, rules wise, and no matter how the rules are interpreted or how good a mind reader the KNF are to read intent before they cruise to catch up in a fight, there were only two questionable acts here, the AFA z keying while in cruise to shoot my ship who was in afterburner, and the KNF going into cruise to catch up with me after they left the fight to catch the CG.