What the Delta fight showed: Capital & Group Fights being ruined by...

[Jessitrescott]

All I can say is that the outlook of "many NEMPS now being used in the coming group fights" makes me not look forward to having those fights.
There are already too few fights in Disco.

Why? Because it is rare that a fight is "good".

all fights end with salt no matter what, even if you have the equal amounts pepole are going to cry because the other side won because ship's op, better players etc etc

Why is that so? It is difficult to somehow manage to not encounter something that makes you go "meh".

space is dangerous, dont expect unicorns and rainbows everywhere you go.

The Delta escapade has provided the community with knowledge on how to ruin fights even more effectively.

yeah, stop bringing solaris gb's and 20 legates lol!!! you're ruining my fun, i had a great time popping order osiris left and right for 3 days....then gee corsairs wanted to log and ruin all my fun. bad corsairs, nerf the legates, they're ruining my fights.

Some people even got hyped and think that this is the new way to fight: cloak-abducting and nemping.

i dont see the point, those are ingame mechanics, cloak abducting and nemping are valid tatics, the other side is always going to q_q no matter what . i'm actually seeing less salt from the core,zoners side. its the corsair,order side thats crying because they couldnt utterly decimate the core,zoner side.

Expecting that future fights will be bad, fewer people will go for fights.
And we will have less fights again. => start at the beginning.

maybe, yeah, same can be said for ganks.

Core| had 4 days worth of activity, now you seiged the base core is dead. let me start pointing fingers about how bad the seige was to core| now. Stop ruining my fun henderson.

I'll try to leave this thread now.

bye

Happy silly-cloak-abducting and happy cheap-nemping!
Bury the little rest of roleplay and fun in fights that the server had by focussing on the troll and the cheap parts.

happy silly ganking pepole 3:1, bringing solaris gb's and cruisers. Bury the little rest of dignity and morale in fun fights that the server had by focussing on the troll and the cheap parts.

[sindroms]

So far what I can see here is that the community, when it comes to this topic, is split in three sides of pro, against and indifferent - and neither one thinks the other possibilities are right or acceptable or should be the Discovery standard.
Stop fussing over one fight. Go do others.

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[Pepe]

Stop fussing over one fight. Go do others.

Exactly. Here we heavily elaborated a case where weaker side was using ONE bomb to balance numbers and save their assets.

What I am asking el community about brand new battles:

What stops stronger side from using NEMPs? They are not there to lose, ya know.

Is using NEMPs really limited only by credits and moral compass of a Disco player? Eh... You all know what it means.

[Sombs]

Stop fussing over one fight. Go do others.

Exactly. Here we heavily elaborated a case where weaker side was using ONE bomb to balance numbers and save their assets.

What I am asking el community about brand new battles:

What stops stronger side from using NEMPs? They are not there to lose, ya know.

Is using NEMPs really limited only by credits and moral compass of a Disco player? Eh... You all know what it means.

NEMPs stop being effective once the enemy has only so many ships left, is scattered or the allied ships are on the battlefield. Sure, one could try and waste NEMPs to destroy the entire fleet, but that would be sort of dumb, and most important: Only resulting in two hours of silence. People seem to forget that.

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[Karst]

Stop fussing over one fight. Go do others.

Except this thread was never supposed to be about one specific fight, it just got derailed by the incredibly polarized community over one specific fight. It's about a general balance issue, this fight was merely a foreshadowing of what these mechanics turn groupfights in general into.

Really, the thread should probably be in the PVP balance section because that's what it's actually about.

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[Thunderer]

Some 5000 Greeks used a choke point to hold off and deal considerable damage to the Persian army that was some 2,000,000 strong.

The number of Persians was closer to 100,000

Herodotus, our main source on this, was hired to write his Histories by the Athenians for the purpose of glorifying their ultimate victory. That's why we meet those huge numbers, like 5 million men or 5 thousand ships. A lot like when you win a battle in Disco and then write a report with bloated enemy losses to make yourself look even cooler

Ofc, this isn't relevant for this thread. But this thread isn't relevant any more itself

Ah I see well thanks for the heads up just to make good would you mind sharing your source for that info. Here is mine if you are interested. (http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/gabr...br0009.htm and http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entr...hermopylae).

"A History of Greece to the Death of Alexander the Great" by John Bagnell Bury. Pages 268 and 269 in this version. It says that the invading Persian army could not be greater than 300,000, but was probably smaller. Internet sites are fun and easily reachable sources of information, but they are often not verifiable and every quasi-scientist can post there, so I would not recommend using them in any serious study, and this includes Wikipedia as well. These which you have posted are actually rather accurate, though, and I don't see it mentioned that the invading Persian army numbered 2 million men, so I don't know where you drew that from. The "New World Encyclopedia" mentions that Herodotus evaluated the Army at 5,283,220 men, but that number is not taken seriously, and the Army is evaluated at ~200,000 instead, which is in accordance with Bury. The article at the site "www.au.af.mil" numbers the Army at 300,000, which also fits Bury's estimation.

[Pepe]

Thunday The HEMP (Historian EMP). Delete, pls. Ganks me every day with historical facts. Halp!

[Backo]

Thundy what has history studies done to you, brate...

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[Thunderer]

I don't even have to shoot my enemies to kill them. I can just sit and bore them to death! Maybe PvP is RP, but RP can be PvP, too!

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[Devastator]

Some 5000 Greeks used a choke point to hold off and deal considerable damage to the Persian army that was some 2,000,000 strong.

The number of Persians was closer to 100,000

Herodotus, our main source on this, was hired to write his Histories by the Athenians for the purpose of glorifying their ultimate victory. That's why we meet those huge numbers, like 5 million men or 5 thousand ships. A lot like when you win a battle in Disco and then write a report with bloated enemy losses to make yourself look even cooler

Ofc, this isn't relevant for this thread. But this thread isn't relevant any more itself

Ah I see well thanks for the heads up just to make good would you mind sharing your source for that info. Here is mine if you are interested. (http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/gabr...br0009.htm and http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entr...hermopylae).

"A History of Greece to the Death of Alexander the Great" by John Bagnell Bury. Pages 268 and 269 in this version. It says that the invading Persian army could not be greater than 300,000, but was probably smaller. Internet sites are fun and easily reachable sources of information, but they are often not verifiable and every quasi-scientist can post there, so I would not recommend using them in any serious study, and this includes Wikipedia as well. These which you have posted are actually rather accurate, though, and I don't see it mentioned that the invading Persian army numbered 2 million men, so I don't know where you drew that from. The "New World Encyclopedia" mentions that Herodotus evaluated the Army at 5,283,220 men, but that number is not taken seriously, and the Army is evaluated at ~200,000 instead, which is in accordance with Bury. The article at the site "www.au.af.mil" numbers the Army at 300,000, which also fits Bury's estimation.

Oh cool thanks, and I was rounding from the New world encyclopedia from the accounts of Herodotus on the size of Xerxes' army. The more you know. Again thanks for the info much appreciated. It makes alot of sense with logistics and all how 2 million people wouldnt have been supportable in that area.

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