The Raven's Claw

[sovereign]

@Suzanna:

Please, be more reasonable...

The Raven's Claw is a military stealth fighter. If the military sees one of their top-of-the-line vessels flying around, they'll most likely confiscate it and interrogate the person flying it. By most likely I mean I can think of no reason why they wouldn't. If Kishiro designed the original, yes, I can see how Kishiro players would get a little miffed when they see one flying around. They would not, however, attack it, they would lose more than half of their trading partners because they would shortly be KoS in Liberty. That's just the tip of the iceberg if someone started that, Liberty might even use it as an excuse to declare war on Kusari. No, don't think they'll risk that.

So please, drop the ship, or you'll probably end up as KoS in Liberty. Do you want that?

Non-rhetorical question, between all the posts I've seen from your members I honestly do not know: do you want to be KoS in Liberty?

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[DW-Suzanna]

@ Suzanna and Raekur. This discussion wasn't directed at you guys and until you brought the subject onto yourselves (actually Suzanna did that)

well since the subject is about ravensclaw which I have always flown.....of course the subject is relevant to me.

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[sovereign]

well since the subject is about ravensclaw which I have always flown.....of course the subject is relevant to me.

Do you mind answering my question then? Please reconsider, I recall you guys liking to help out Liberty... but if you insist on flying classified military hardware, then you WILL be placed KoS in Liberty, and likely Bretonia as well. Oh yeah, Rheinland won't take kindly to a Liberty Recon ship flying through there, so you're probably already KoS there, too.

This ship is just going to cause problems. Please switch, the BHG ships aren't that bad...

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[tfmachad]

well since the subject is about ravensclaw which I have always flown.....of course the subject is relevant to me.

Then if you're adamant about using the ship there are two options:

1. Your character has a reasonable enough reason to use it that conforms into a meaningful scenario, which is what expected in this server (as in: RM use Wraths, not Titans; Outcasts use Sabres, not Titans; Hessians use Thors, not Titans; LN use Avengers, not Titans; BAF use Templars, not Titans; BHG uses Mantas, not Titans). If this is the case, then you should be presenting your argument as to why you think it's reasonable for your character to be flying around in such a controversial ship. Your original arguments were: a. I've bought it when it was sold O-15; b. Kishiro must have stick to selling it. Both have been contested, if you are of the opinion that they are still valid, then reinforce those arguments.
Come to think of it, there's little to none reason to use a Titan.

2. You (player) have a strong feeling towards the ship and don't want to let go. Well...

EDIT: Anyway... We should be getting back at the subject. Suzanna, if you really want to keep the ship, then keep it. I'm sure you have more than enough means to deal with the consequences of that or at least try and dialog directly with the people responsible for it. I'm not LSF. I'm in the realm of the imaginary here, not the practical.

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Meet the Kriegers - The story of a family and of two men that shared more than just a name
Fantasmas de la Nube Siniestra
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[Chakotay]

I have some [KoF] escort fighters using the RavenClaw.
Some people are getting too uptight about who is allowed to use which ships.
Relax guys it's a game with lots of ships available.
There is no harm in people trying different ones.
The problem with restricting access to very tight roleplay lines is that it severely restricts the number of ships that you can use.
Then people start making multiple role characters etc.........

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[sovereign]

I have some [KoF] escort fighters using the RavenClaw.
Some people are getting too uptight about who is allowed to use which ships.
Relax guys it's a game with lots of ships available.
There is no harm in people trying different ones.
The problem with restricting access to very tight roleplay lines is that it severely restricts the number of ships that you can use.
Then people start making multiple role characters etc.........

If the [KoF] escorts get special permission from the LSF to use them, then fine. If not, then expect some rough-housing, its a military grade stealth ship after all. If you want to fly it, make an LSF or use openSP. Not that hard. Same thing with capital ships, just less dangerous.

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[tfmachad]

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Then people start making multiple role characters etc.........

You mean players start going about making multiple characters? That's what this server is about.

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Meet the Kriegers - The story of a family and of two men that shared more than just a name
Fantasmas de la Nube Siniestra
I Mon'Star: The Strange Case of Elizabeth Wallace

[Chakotay]

Sovereign if it's there to buy then my guys have permission from ME as Clan leader to buy it.
We help the LSF and Liberty Navy tackling pirates in and around Liberty.
We need a strong LSF and Navy to keep Liberty safe and that helps my convoys and therefor company profits.
The LSF or Navy have never objected before so we will continue to use it.

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[tfmachad]

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The LSF or Navy have never objected before so we will continue to use it.

Did you read the original post and the first page of this thread, Chakotay?

Personally, i think it should be moved and LSF/Phantoms only should be using it. Getting tired of seeing mercs/freelancers flying it with the excuse "i got it because it has 8 guns"

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PERSONALY, It annoys me ALOT to see non-lsf/kishiro factions using it as a standard ship. I tolerate a limited use in Liberty navy (HC only). It is OORP for me for any other faction to use it.

They just did.

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Meet the Kriegers - The story of a family and of two men that shared more than just a name
Fantasmas de la Nube Siniestra
I Mon'Star: The Strange Case of Elizabeth Wallace

[Thexare]

I'd say that as a rule, LSF and Phantoms only, but with room for exceptions, either on an individual basis based on RP or through faction negotiations.

But if you're not one with an established exception, I expect you to end up like this purple guy here and the planet he's guarding.