The Heaven's Gate Seige | December (or longer) | Version 2.0 | Explained

[The Archangels Fighter Club]

edit: By the way, wouldn't Order be more aware of what is going on around Delta and focus their defences there rather than sending their forces in Kusari? Imagine Core just doing what they did in past, in the battle of Toledo. It's just a royal Yacht, not a marvel of some top end high technology that just came out, I'd understand the ways of Order then.

edit 2: Lythrylix already made a good point. Why being so unfriendly, it is indeed oncstructive criticism/ feedback. The Order is weak, they already lost their Main Planet like Liberty would loose Manhattan. I also suspect they would focus themselves already weakened from what was going on in O. Minor.

Blood Dragons would maybe expand in Tohoku but they're not alone enough good to even breach the perimeter of the base. Remember, it was meant to defend Emperor of Kusari.

You can ask Golly, but we see that the Order and BD have motivation to seige the station based on past RP. The Order and BD seiged the station 3 times (or more i dunno ask Golly) and were able to influtrate inside. Another chance to do so may reveal to them more knowledge about the nomads that has been locked away on the Aoi Infested station.
Knowledge after all is power. The Order and BD have heavy roots with the Heaven's Gate as compared to the Core and Delta. Golly has also shown through his actions that he is willing to split his forces to not only Core. Take a look at his threats with the Zoners for instance at Freeport 1.

We have explained from lyth's point and also in the OP that the NEMP bomb(s) will compensate for order being weaker than usual.

We did not say Blood dragons alone are going to assault the base. We said the Order+BD+AFC will do it. We have shown that Order and BD have penetrated and went deep inside the base in the past. They can do it again, regardless if the base was able to defend the Emperor or not. Due to the past lore, it shows that the base is in fact able to be penetrated and the order and BD know how to do it. With the help of new weaponry such as the NEMP bombs, this expands the possibility even more becasue the NEMp bombs will take down human deference that were before much more harder to do.

Thank you for your feedback. We hope you have now a clearer understanding.

[Lythrilux]

The Archangel's Fighter Club has made it clear to you from before that there is no IFF changes that will be made to Heaven's Gate.
We have stated our 3rd time now that Heaven's Gate will remain Aoi
Our point at the top has also addressed this. We recommend you please feel secure and safe that the IFF of heaven's gate will not change from being AoI. No humans will take over the Station. The station however will be in phase 3 not allowing anyone to dock on for only that period of time.

Aoi does not want there to be any IFF changes at all: before, during or after.

The Order is not weak. There is not anything weak looking about this. The ARchangel's Fighter Club made it clear that the AFC takes part in being the instigator to this new branch. The Order and BD have done it in the past and can do it again.

We must also state that your paragraph conflicts itself. You first state "where is a magical tree" and then you claim Order looks weak.
Which side are you on, or are you on any side?

Do you have any constructive feedback, or are you going to rephrase the same complaints that have already been addressed prior to our reply?

Thanks for the feedback. Have a pleasant day.

I'm not saying The Order is weak by default (although they are certainly far from being anywhere near strong enough to pull off something like this, even with help). It's consistently cited that The Order has a very shaky amount of ground to justify how they can do x, y and z and them shooting Zoners did not help to try to solidify that. And the amount of power Order would have to divert away from Core, Nomads and so forth to attack the Arch would compromise them. Using those very flaky justifications to justify this doesn't help your argument. But this thread isn't a breakdown of The Order, so let's get back on topic...

When we snap back to reality and look at Order as they actually are, this event implies that Order is unable to attack an alien base full stop, and in their desperation need the help of AFC (which by comparison looks far smaller/weaker than The Order and I'm sure you can agree here) to be able to strike at the base. This event makes The Order look far weaker than they actually are. That's what makes it look ironic. It also has the undesired (?) effect of blowing up AFC beyond their actual proportions. It's like The Order has gone to AFC for help, rather than the other way around. Whether that's what you intended or not, it's the story this event tells.

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[The Archangels Fighter Club]

It is still a huge jump from what you are now and what you will become with this event. It's not natural growth as it is purely motivated with getting blueprints to unique battleship-class yacht,

Please expand your argument.
We have explained why obtaining the blueprints is natural growth.

Please also take a look at just one of our posts about the party ship RP:
https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthrea...tid=139748

we have used on several occasions our party ships and are looking to expand our scope. Those ships need to be bigger and more extravagant for more clients to come. The AFC also has experience in maintaining party locations and all the requirements that go along with it. Our progression is not from being "a racer faction into a nomad slaying faction" but rather a natural progression of business growth that now demands a new standard.


Thank you for your feedback, have a pleasant day. We love to hear from people like you your thoughts!

[SnakThree]

Natural growth would be hiring someone to design a ship for you. Going into Nomad Lair for one-of-a-kind Yacht blueprints that may exist or not, is not. It's forced decision to complete your ooRP agenda of getting sweet ship.

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[Lythrilux]

What's stopping AFC from just trying to make a Replica?

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[Toris]

Natural growth would be hiring someone to design a ship for you. Going into Nomad Lair for one-of-a-kind Yacht blueprints that may exist or not, is not. It's forced decision to complete your ooRP agenda of getting sweet ship.

Sadly, I have to agree with SnakThree in here. That event has no sense at all and I am actually surprised such a move is not form of powergaming. Not to mention metagaming, as I am not fully convinced on how even faction so small would even know about these blueprints, let alone Tohoku.

[The Archangels Fighter Club]

The Archangel's Fighter Club has made it clear to you from before that there is no IFF changes that will be made to Heaven's Gate.
We have stated our 3rd time now that Heaven's Gate will remain Aoi
Our point at the top has also addressed this. We recommend you please feel secure and safe that the IFF of heaven's gate will not change from being AoI. No humans will take over the Station. The station however will be in phase 3 not allowing anyone to dock on for only that period of time.

Aoi does not want there to be any IFF changes at all: before, during or after.

The Order is not weak. There is not anything weak looking about this. The ARchangel's Fighter Club made it clear that the AFC takes part in being the instigator to this new branch. The Order and BD have done it in the past and can do it again.

We must also state that your paragraph conflicts itself. You first state "where is a magical tree" and then you claim Order looks weak.
Which side are you on, or are you on any side?

Do you have any constructive feedback, or are you going to rephrase the same complaints that have already been addressed prior to our reply?

Thanks for the feedback. Have a pleasant day.

I'm not saying The Order is weak by default (although they are certainly far from being anywhere near strong enough to pull off something like this, even with help). It's consistently cited that The Order has a very shaky amount of ground to justify how they can do x, y and z and them shooting Zoners did not help to try to solidify that. And the amount of power Order would have to divert away from Core, Nomads and so forth to attack the Arch would compromise them. Using those very flaky justifications to justify this doesn't help your argument. But this thread isn't a breakdown of The Order, so let's get back on topic...

When we snap back to reality and look at Order as they actually are, this event implies that Order is unable to attack an alien base full stop, and in their desperation need the help of AFC (which by comparison looks far smaller/weaker than The Order and I'm sure you can agree here) to be able to strike at the base. This event makes The Order look far weaker than they actually are. That's what makes it look ironic. It also has the undesired (?) effect of blowing up AFC beyond their actual proportions. It's like The Order has gone to AFC for help, rather than the other way around. Whether that's what you intended or not, it's the story this event tells.

Thank you for your Feedback.

We politely ask that you do not speak on behalf of another faction. For the purposes of the event, the IFF is not going to be changed. What will change is in phase 3 access to the station. It is poor for the event and not inRP if the nomad forces could spawn right from the station. For the purposes of the event, the balance has shifted.

We would also recommend that you refrain from speaking about Order and let Golly speak about his faction.

We also recommend that you get your facts straight before you decide to criticize further. Please step back and make sure you understand all the information prior to posting. The Archangels Fighter Club is able to provide links and content to provide explanation, but we are unable to insert that knowledge into your head. Please do not twist the facts that are presented in full. For clarification on topics, please provide a quote or a link or something that you do not understand.

For the following time, the Order with BD had attacked the Gate in the past together. You assume that the Order before was able to do it alone but that is not the case. The AFC this time, and we tell you this again, are the instigators here that went to the Order and BD to do a deal. You can read about it in the posted RP that will give you insight instead of us re-explaining it here.

No one is saying here that the Order depends on AFC, but we are saying that the more team work there is, the better.


Thank you for your criticism. We appreciate your interest, whether you are a member of the factions involved or not. Have a good day.

[Jessitrescott]

most of the srp's are powergamed, AFC is trying to justify their SRP for somereason. Not caring about others and just saying "we're going to do x,y,z" would be an appropriate response!!

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[The Archangels Fighter Club]

Natural growth would be hiring someone to design a ship for you. Going into Nomad Lair for one-of-a-kind Yacht blueprints that may exist or not, is not. It's forced decision to complete your ooRP agenda of getting sweet ship.

Sadly, I have to agree with SnakThree in here. That event has no sense at all and I am actually surprised such a move is not form of powergaming. Not to mention metagaming, as I am not fully convinced on how even faction so small would even know about these blueprints, let alone Tohoku.

The AFC have delt with BD and Order in the past and have flown through Tuhoku. We know of it's existence. The information about the base is enough wide-spead to draw the conclusions that Sunny has made. The AFC has also expanded into Akbat and these sorts of general things would be known.

We apologies that things do not make sense to you. The Archangels Fighter Club is unable to please everyone. We are sorry and apologies that we were unable to do so.

[The Archangels Fighter Club]

most of the srp's are powergamed, AFC is trying to justify their SRP for somereason. Not caring about others and just saying "we're going to do x,y,z" would be an appropriate response!!

The Archangels Fighter Club thanks you for your feedback and view on the matter.
The Archangels Fighter Club takes great effort in trying to make as much people happy as possible. We are unable to make it 100% all the time, but we try our best.

Thank you for your feedback. We will gladly claim that we have this attitude with the local police around our Chapters. Screw the cops!!!