Ending the Capship Issue(and more)

[Laowai]

Hey all....

Another indie supporting "capwhore" here. (By the way, i hate that term, i use it myself, but it is insulting)

You know, i have been againts the idea of telling people what they can and can't fly since i started here, and ive argued it for ages... ad nauseum.... whatever, seems it is now the factions have it in their head to do this thing So be it - They are saying they have no "sinister" motives here about control, they dont want to tell anyone what they can and cant fly, they are just trying to "force" people to RP... etc etc etc

Fair enough, lets take that at face value.

But noobl3t has an interesting point: Independent capship owner, Role Player, contributes to the forums, writes RP in the forums whats more... by all definitions what the faction argument is saying they want Indie caphip players to be......

So why exactly should he register? Doing so, serves no Role play reason other than to kowtow to a faction.... really, all it does is publicly acknowledge that "Yes, i have to do this because you can make me". Even though as an independent player he is actually doing nothing wrong.

Now, i am not bashing factions here, im in factions myself, but some of my characters arent, and have no intention of being. They will also NOT be registering their capital class vessels.

Don't register Noobl3t, and Role Play the results. If you do so you are the better player.

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[Akumabito]

I gotta ask you, if you drive do you give the DVLA or whoever your equivalent is the same hassle when you register your car? Becasue it's exactly the same.

No, it's not. Not even close.

Registering my cars and bikes (I have several) is a law. If my neighbor said I had to register them with him as well, I would tell him to stuff it.

Eppy has no legal server right to demand I register with him. He has no moral right because the registration is meaningless as far as RP goes, he's just trying to bully indies because he can.

Saying that is like the DMV is like saying mud is like chocolate.

Do you want to tackle these or just make silly comments?

1. Identifying that there is a problem serious enough to require action.

2. Showing that registration will mitigate the problem.

3. Showing this isn't just petty bullying by faction leaders who want to pvp whore.

[Akumabito]

So why exactly should he register?

Because by doing so he proves what a big man the faction leader is.

As I have said, there will be zero difference in my RP if I register or not, and that is likely the norm by far.

I offered a RP way out, the CSW. Of course trying a RP solution made the faction leaders blow a gasket. How dare anyone RP a way out of their OORP PVP Whoring!

[n00bl3t]

In the words of my friend who has only recently started playing Discovery:

"You don't have to follow an official faction's rules, but it's advised to unless you have a good roleplay reason for doing otherwise. You won't get sanctioned for not following them, but the faction has the right to punish you if you ignore them."

This is making mountains out of mole-hills. Nooblet, if you just linked your "RP" into a registration, I'm pretty sure they would register you right away. Not hard, right?

Neither is the whole registration thing. It's a lot more simple and painfree than people mark it out to be.

It's a point of principle. I have my RP. I should not have to register it or have it come up to someone else's RP meter on whether my RP is good enough.

Could I just point out here that if someone comes to me asking for help about getting a ship registered with the 101st etc I will actualy help them acheive this. I only think restrictions are good if they are in place to promote better roleplay. The more people write stories the better.

I have alluded in my earlier post to the fact that cap ships are fairly useless. I think that if most caps were roleplayed then we could return to having awesome ships rather than these lame peices of useless crap.

So come on people, just help the factions get things back to how they should be. When all the ship owners in disco roleplay we will be happy.
This is not about stiffling any indies, nor is it about uniformaty within roleplay. Your story could be totally out of left field for us, but if it isn't treading on anyone elses roleplay shoes or messing with already established thigns in game we will accept it.

One of the reasons we want to register warships is because what navy wouldn't know how many ships it has? What army wouldn't know how many men it had in the field? The idea that any armed force wouldn't know how many capitol ships it had in its possession or had made is utterly absurd. So if you support better RP then register your ship.

Can everyone stop doing the "big bad factions took away my toys" whinge for one moment and look at the bigger picture here. Its not about you, its about the server... Ok?

I like your attitude. I however, should not have to register. My RP is good enough. That's it. I shouldn't even have to write an RP story on the forums to fly a capship as this isn't even in the rules, but I have. No registration.

I'm not from the PVP server. Have never played there in my life. I have nothing past 2.5 times armour. I don't own a BS at the moment either. Any further clarification needed?
Yes actually I need way more clarification. But I wasnt talking about you. Again I haven't seen you RP. I dont know you ingame. The people I am talking about here are those that

DO NOT COME TO THE FORUMS
DO NOT RP INGAME
DO NOT KNOW WHAT CAP WHORING DOES TO ..all the other players who fly in fighters.

I DO NOT own a capship or a bomber, but I have had countless times when 3 OC BS are parked right outside Manhattan.
THAT IS NOT RP. THAT IS CAP WHORING. Those are the Indies I am talking about.

Seriously! I do not care if you are a indy or a faction...as long as you RP on this damned RP server!!!
THE problem is the non-rp cap whoring new players WHO DONT HAVE ANY RESPECT FOR ANYONE ELSE's rp.

I'm just sick of it. I'd like to play! id like to RP. but I cant. Because there are INDIES out there who sit in MY ZOI, completely OORP with Guns that one shot kill me and there is nothing I can do about it.

I hate sanctioning people, and I usually have no legal standing to sanction them. Theres not a damn thing I can do about the Cap whore people. No. I'm not dumbing it down to ICAP or whatever else you want to call it. It is a PVP CAP WHORE atitude that has no place on a RP server.

Good. Then don't support faction restriction. If the problem with these players is consistent and it's the same player every time they will get punished, and if continues they will eventually get banned. Remember the screenshot button.

It sounded like you were accusing me of coming from the PVP server and pushing PVP policies.

...excusemwa?

Are you daft?

No, seriously. WHAT? Am I suddenly not allowed to satirize the minority public opinion of myself? Would I honestly make such a big noise about it every time it comes up (before individuals such as yourself force me to get unpleasantly serious. I mean, really. I've probably gotten 300 posts out of this by now) if I weren't trying to satirize my image? That's something nobody would try and draw attention to unless they were very, very stupid or making a joke. This case is the latter. Get it straight before charging on here and making accusations of fascism.
Wrong.

IT'S EVEN SIMPLER THAN THAT.

For the Destroyer our friend here has literally all he has to do is post his ship's name. THAT constitutes a registration. RP is only required for Battleships and Dreadnoughts.

Satirize all you want. The sarcasm must have failed.
It sounded quite serious, and for it to sound serious imagine what people must think your attitude is.
It doesn't matter whether you care or not what people think either.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[n00bl3t]

Don't register Noobl3t, and Role Play the results. If you do so you are the better player.

Thank you. It's about time I got some support for not registering, but still RP-ing.

1. Identifying that there is a problem serious enough to require action.

2. Showing that registration will mitigate the problem.

3. Showing this isn't just petty bullying by faction leaders who want to pvp whore.

If anyone can answer this in

1) this

2) kinda

3) format

then please do. It's mainly been a lot of chunks.

Thanks.

Edit: Double post again. *Sigh* Apologies.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Reverend Del]

No, it's not. Not even close.

Registering my cars and bikes (I have several) is a law. If my neighbor said I had to register them with him as well, I would tell him to stuff it.

Eppy has no legal server right to demand I register with him. He has no moral right because the registration is meaningless as far as RP goes, he's just trying to bully indies because he can.

Saying that is like the DMV is like saying mud is like chocolate.

Do you want to tackle these or just make silly comments?

1. Identifying that there is a problem serious enough to require action.

2. Showing that registration will mitigate the problem.

3. Showing this isn't just petty bullying by faction leaders who want to pvp whore.

Actually the 101st is the law within the RP framework that exists on the server. They've been accepted as that by 90% of the Outcast population. Now I concur with Nooblet and Laowai, if the RP is visble already then the registration is unecessary, it serves no purpose whatsoever. But this is supposed to be dealing with the RP aspect of those who don't have the RP to back up their ship choice. Frankly the RP demand should probably be extended to Outcast destroyers if it's really got a hope of suceeding, but leaving these indies that do not RP alone isn't going to solve the issue at all. It'll make it worse by letting them think it's perfectly alright.

Now if you can come out with a suggestion that doesn't involve spamming my print screen button so much I get RSI, drop it on us. Perhaps we can use that to make this regsitration a thing of the past and move on to other things. Oh and trying to talk to them in game has had zero effect, that was the last plan that was tried to get things in order, that had a good four month's before it got deemed less effective than a chocolate fireguard. Because the responses were largely, "Lol wut? Noob!"

Becasue you asked. The Liberty Cap Roster so far.

Liberty Carriers
kanhf1326
Kay

Liberty Dreadnoughts
[SA]-LNS-Meroviginian (Richard Woolsey)
[SA]-LNS-San.Fransisco (Michael Diehardt)
[SA]-LNS-Anchorage (John Talon)
[SA]-LNS-Saratoga (Jake Benson)
[SA]-LNS-Milwaukee (Name N/A)
LNS_Citadelle.de.Quebec (Xing)
LNS.Dave.Elliston
LPI-Rusty_Donut

Liberty Assault Battlecruisers
[SA]-LNS-Relentless (John Talon)
Stang’
Liberty America
Gafwmn

Liberty Cruisers
[SA]-LNS-Mt.Blackburn (Michael Diehardt)
[SA]-LNS-Juneau (James LaBrie)
[SA]-LNS-Dallas (Greg LaCroix)
[SA]-LNS-Oklahoma (James Farley)
GSAL-Cindy.Who
LNS-Memphis
LNS.Echo
LNS-Lestat
LNS-Vicksburg
LNS.Auraxium
The-Equinox
MrEagle'
Rogue_Warrior

Liberty Gunboats
[SA]-LNS-Luna-A (Matthew Anobi)
[SA]-LNS-Corregidor (Greg LaCroix)
[SA]-LNS-San.Diego (Stephanie)
[SA]-LNS-Novarupta (Winston)
LNS.Dave-Elliston
LNS-Fort.Blakely
LNS-Hampton.Roads
LNS-Niagara.Falls
LNS-Sacramento
LNS-Las.Vegas
LNS-Atlanta
=LSF=Maverick
=LSF=Skyshark
=LSF=Bromborough
=LSF=Lawsprite – Spelling?
=LSF=Point.Hope
Sgt_Burton
Jasp
Legionaire
Ranger[I]
MrEagle
Soleil_Noir

That's just the ones we can find. Jump on to a liberty unlawful at any time of the day and imagine how many of them are prowling around looking for something to shoot. Tis why I hang around in California. Less likely to get ganked.

I haven't done the research for Outcast Dreads.

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[n00bl3t]

Actually the 101st is the law within the RP framework that exists on the server. They've been accepted as that by 90% of the Outcast population. Now I concur with Nooblet and Laowai, if the RP is visble already then the registration is unecessary, it serves no purpose whatsoever. But this is supposed to be dealing with the RP aspect of those who don't have the RP to back up their ship choice. Frankly the RP demand should probably be extended to Outcast destroyers if it's really got a hope of suceeding, but leaving these indies that do not RP alone isn't going to solve the issue at all. It'll make it worse by letting them think it's perfectly alright.

Now if you can come out with a suggestion that doesn't involve spamming my print screen button so much I get RSI, drop it on us. Perhaps we can use that to make this regsitration a thing of the past and move on to other things. Oh and trying to talk to them in game has had zero effect, that was the last plan that was tried to get things in order, that had a good four month's before it got deemed less effective than a chocolate fireguard. Because the responses were largely, "Lol wut? Noob!"

I'm sorry. Where did you get this 90% figure from?

They are the Guard. At most, the defence council for Outcasts. Mainly for the Omicron-85 system. They have a ZoI over Alpha but their authority ends at the the JH to Alpha. They have no sway over the everyday deals of Outcasts or what ships get sold or made. Especially when the ships are made on Malta.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[chovynz]

Let me make this clear.
A CAP WHORE is not the people who are posting here on these forums.
I know Laowai RP's. He is not a capwhore.

A cap whore is someone in game who does not rp...anything.
Those are the people that the registration targets. When they indies who are
on the forum register their Capship, then we can track the other ones who are
not on the forums.

And nooblete it is not the same people...it is countless. Seriously. I have
lost count with how many people upon fire on me without RPING.

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Seek fun and you shall find it. Seek stuff to Q_Q about and you'll find that, too. I choose to have fun.

[AdamantineFist]

I'm sorry. Where did you get this 90% figure from?

They are the Guard. At most, the defence council for Outcasts. Mainly for the Omicron-85 system. They have a ZoI over Alpha but their authority ends at the the JH to Alpha. They have no sway over the everyday deals of Outcasts or what ships get sold or made. Especially when the ships are made on Malta.

I'm afraid that they represent the Outcast Navy, and as such are quite influential. As to what ships get sold or made... have you seen those bar rumours, you know, the ones where it is stated that they build the dreads on Corsica?

Anyways, being the main part of the Maltese Naval Forces, one would think that they have sway over all production of capital class vessels.


Now, if you're RPing well enough, then I support you in your decision to use a capship. I feel that registration should be there to aid in RP. Also, it seems we've needlessly polarized. Registering shouldn't be too difficult if you ARE RPing correctly, and the entire point is to enable more co-operation and RP between indies and established factions. THAT'S what I want to see here. Co-operation. We don't need to get all uppity about factions vs. indies. We need more co-operation. I would suggest that you at least talk to the 101st, if not register. If you were go up to them and tell the what your RP was, in PMs even, then that would be nice. You needn't say "OK, we'll do everything you say." You merely need RP in a mature and responsible manner. That's what this whole issue started as, and I think that it's been blown out of proportion, by factioners and indies alike. Indies are being too defensive and several seem to be refusing anything a factioner even suggests. Some factioners seem to be acting overly aggressive and confrontational, instead of opening private channels of communication with the indies. I think that everyone's extreme attitudes seem to have exacerbated the problem. Now, why don't we all calm down. Both sides need to be willing to initiate communication, as well, not just the indies.

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[n00bl3t]

Let me make this clear.
A CAP WHORE is not the people who are posting here on these forums.
I know Laowai RP's. He is not a capwhore.

A cap whore is someone in game who does not rp...anything.
Those are the people that the registration targets. When they indies who are
on the forum register their Capship, then we can track the other ones who are
not on the forums.

And nooblete it is not the same people...it is countless. Seriously. I have
lost count with how many people upon fire on me without RPING.

That's because all his characters are marked with (Laowai).

I have no such inclination to mark my characters as such, it would be too inviting a target considering my public opinion on this subject.

Then Akumabito, Laowai and myself will not register. And if any of our ships get killed for not registering it will be on your head.

You wish to target those who are not on the forums, to register or die?

It must be so hard to copy and paste. *Sigh* I think I have so many screenies of not being killed with an RP statement beforehand. Shrink them down to JPEG's and burn them to a disc.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.