Get out of the system or ...

[hribek]

I was pirating at the Pittsburgh trade lane with my Hyena today as Rum.Rogers. (36)

I'd like to ask some questions about the server rules, because I was harassed on both private and system-wide channels by rule quoters. The latter question is more important.

I'd like to ask a question about what to do with rank 50 civilian starfliers. Such "Raji" popped out of the trade lane ahead and explicitly tried to flee and said goodbye after I asked to stop him, disrupting the lane and firing a Wasp. (about half minute delay between the actions).
He stated that I can't loot him, to which I responded that he is going to die if I open fire (I was trying to roleplay).
Side note: someone obviously gave him/her money, I overheard it on system comms...
And so he ended up dead floating in space.
Then I broadcasted a random piratey message for the dead corpse not to return back to the place. (He came from Fort Bush). He ignored that and showed up again. I had to be blunt now and told him to turn around and get out for the obligatory 4 hours while I stay.
He refused quite impolitely with an insult, so I took the effort and removed him out of the skies again. Then I had my private channel full of messages from Leeds to which I could not respond because I was busy. Quite annoying, but we resolved that with no problems, the pilot from Leeds said that he had communicated with Raji and that he was supposed to be leaving. Case closed.

Now the real issue which made me make this post:



After trying to acquire nanobots from 'T-Bone' - an X-Shuttle, I was located by several capital ships. They had a reason to go after me, I won't argue with that. But still ... can they fire a few shots (deadly shots) on any random fighter and then ask it to leave? Not to mention threatening them with sanctions.

Thanks for your answers.

Yours sincerely,
Rum Rogers

//Hribek

[Ion]

a level 50 civilian ID, regardless of ship is a reportable offense. if he did a transfer, he should have got a trader ID. Of course, you should be nice to him and let him get one, but you can still pirate him before that.

an engagement is a fight, I have always said. I see no reason that anyone should have to leave the system if you never attempted to fight, but i may be at odds to the server rules here... its kind of sketchy.

basically:

Nobody likes a rule lawyer if it isnt needed. If you can solve the problem in role play, its far better then blabbing ooc in system about the rules. The rules are there to help role play, not vice-versa.

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[Robert.Fitzgerald]

I would remove the screenshot and replace it with a paragraph using non-descript names.

So it's not a trial-by-forums.

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[Jinx]

we had the same problem some time ago. - and to no clear result, i believe.

- if the rule is one sided ( meaning, i can shoot at someone - and order him out of the system if he leaves the fight, even if he never stopped from cruise or was flying like 5k away from me ) - then a fight has really happened.
- if a fight only happens if both parties were involved in a firefight, - it means that both participants must exchange shots at each other in order to be considered fighting.
- if even further, a fight only occurs if both shoot each other and ones shields are taken down to 50% or more, - it means that some warning shots are not considered a fight.
- maybe this is once sided, too - and as long as one person shoots at someone else and takes his shields down by 50% or more is having a pvp fight.

1 )
this rule means that i can kick people out of a system just by shooting at them, no matter if they WANT to fight or are prepared or if i even hit.

2 )
this rule interpretation means that there is a willingness of both players to have a pvp fight, but it also means that a warning shot is allready considered pvp.

3 )
this rule means that both mean business. both want to pvp and both want to go for it all. - maybe the best rule, but not easy to enforce especially in fights involving fighters and warships.

4 )
one sided as nr 1, but it means that there is a willingness of taking someone down, even if the target doesn t want to pvp at all. - however, one cannot do some easy fly by shooting - but has to engage seriously.

choose what you like the most. defining what a fight is appears easier than it is. i have been accused for re-engaging when i was cruising past a corsair cruiser and he shot at me at a distance of 1k - never hit me, and i never left cruise. i then grouped up with other BHGs and we took the cruiser down. - what followed was a lengthy discussion about re-engagement and why he was convinced he had a fight against me allready. - he said that he shot at me, and i was in weaponrange ( my supernova is 2.5k ) so he considered me pvping, even if i never cancelled cruise nor did any attempt to react to him. thats how far interpretation can go.

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[hribek]

Exactly. The whole issue is about the definition of a "PvP fight", as stated in the paper.

I would remove the screenshot and replace it with a paragraph using non-descript names.

So it's not a trial-by-forums.

I will do that on demand. I'd like the people involved to know.

[Dantrithor]

I consider the sneak shooting until you lose shields / be under 50% shields and then telling you to leave system a quite cheap tactic. I have had done that by a battleship while i was cruising away from a lane with eddie. Suddenly, when i was like 1-2k of the lane, a battleship appeared, and shooted me to 45% shields or so. I didnt drop cruise or anything but... bye bye, system. It might not be fair, but its there, so you have to obbey it as closely as you can.

And about starfliers, i consider (honest opinion, you might not share it, and its okay aswell) good etiquette to leave them alone, no matter their level, as they're most likely setting up a character.

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[hribek]

That's why I posted two issues in one post.

I get harrassed and should leave rank 50 civilians alone ... a bit unfair, eh.
When they can point at the paper (:rtfm:) ... I cannot? :unsure:

Still I'd like it all to be fair and fun. A little bit more for me, but not that much to spoil it for everyone else.

[Stucuk]

If you cruise away and only they have fired a shot then its not a PVP Engagement which would come under the Fleeing rules IMO. IMO the fleeing from a fight rules were made so that people couldn't just flee after all there bats/bots were used up then come back and try again. But i don't see how they could come into effect if you never fired on them as RP wise your not always going to fight people when your outmatched, so it would be OORP if you don't run from cruisers. Any other way it would be open up to way too much abuse.

If your setting up a character (Where your lvl is above 29 due to transfer) then you should remove your weapons to symbolise that your setting up your character and arn't a valid target. That way there should not be any confusion.

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[Drifter84]

And about starfliers, i consider (honest opinion, you might not share it, and its okay aswell) good etiquette to leave them alone, no matter their level, as they're most likely setting up a character.

Not flaming you , Hribek , but rather leave someone in a high level starflier ( especially if you scan and find the 3 Welcomes and equipped with 2 Justice Mk Puny's ) . They probably are setting up a char ( as above quote ) , besides , they won't have no loot worth the takin' , har har :crazy:

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[caylith]

The rule quoting is like a communicable disease. If someone starts spewing rules at you (and their interpretation of said rules) it's not any better if you give them the same in return. Screenshot it and report it to the violations forum. Trial by forum is NOT the way to go about it. If you *must* vent and figure out the confusion, do NOT use any names.