(09-13-2018, 11:22 PM)Marburg Wrote: Past all that, if what you say is true, & you haven't been granted a reset as you were told, then I'd say that you're being shafted have a legitimate gripe on that score.
It's called Permanent probation for a reason.
Permanent probation means absolutely nothing when you get right down to it.
If Karl were to be permabanned again, he would simply go back to the norm of returning under multiple proxies & being a bigger headache.
He's been welcomed back, so no matter anyone's personal opinion of him, He's a member of the community. Period. Not a probationary one.
Thin ice is only a danger if one fears that it will break.
NO, no, no...yes, actually. For those who try to keep score that is.
& @saronsen It's not a stretch, & it doesn't matter if it's disagreeable, the fact of the matter is, If Karl wasn't welcomed back, then he would still be using proxies instead of a new forum account w/ his original identifier.
So making a quick overall response to the last page...
Marb, if I count all the present or ex members of the "disco team" who have told me (on forum, pm, or skype/discord) loosely what you said (ranging from allegedly non-biased to totally always secretly or openly on my side) only to see them (before or after they said it) trip over themselves in a competition to do the exact oposite in front of others when it comes to more public or actually important situations, I come to 1.6 times the number of the current admin team.
So I wonder if what you or they say is actually true and you're not flip-flopping to what ever is easier for you/them, then how the **** did we end up here?
When it comes to "welcomed back", I'd say no I certainly wasn't, but there were several instances where admins liked to conveniently pretend as if I was "welcomed back with clean slate" n'shiet and it was me who nefariously behaved as if I wasn't. Like...
While I was told probation lasts 3 months and it wasnt lifted after 6, warned permanent 90% for basically posting the mirror image of what another guy (who got nothing) did, and there's still a "Tales of the Admins" story prominently posted on the forum, which portrays me as a cockroach getting killed multiple times in some sort of admin-circle jerk.
So yeah...
"Clean slate" my foot.
If you don't, don't expect to be treated as if.
So boo hoo about your 10% warning or what ever you're yapping about.
I have a hand in allowing this thread turn out to be mostly about you. I own that.
Now, fact of the matter is, you have been welcomed back, as evidenced that you no longer have to hide behind proxies as you have for about a decade...If you don't feel welcomed, then that's your problem. You're simply reaping what you've sown over the years.
As to your earlier claim, I can't help but notice that you've failed to either find, or even bother to look for evidence for that claim against me & have chosen to retort my challenge in an effort to not appear weak by speaking in generalities.
If you would like to stick to your claim that I have said that admins can do what they want, then show the proof, otherwise, back off & take a moment to step outta your own head for a moment & notice that in spite of the fact I don't like you even a little, I spent a couple posts defending you...a little.
I need a silkwood shower for saying it, but fair is fair, & it doesn't matter if I like it or not.
Boo hoo me all you like, but you're nothing but a sidetrack on the topic.
The topic actually is: Either enforce the warning level uniformly, or go back to not using it altogether.
(09-14-2018, 01:59 AM)Marburg Wrote: Now, fact of the matter is, you have been welcomed back,
You know, I've given several pointers as to why "welcomed" is not the correct word, that any moderately intelligent person should be able to understand. But sure go ahead and ignore everything that doesn't suit you and pretend it doesn't exist.
Marburg Wrote:If you would like to stick to your claim that I have said that admins can do what they want, then show the proof, otherwise, back off
Marburg Wrote:I went through this thread yesterday & got rid of a number of hijack attempts & flamethowing.
It has already been made clear why we need a couple more admins, & I'm keeping the shouting post above intact to serve as an example of talking without reading, & what not to do in this thread.
Stay on topic & don't post here unless you can say something relevant.
If I have to come back & say it again, I will be angry...you wouldn't like me when I'm angry
-Burg
This is from a quick search of "admins" by "Marburg", and it reflects your overall style of moderating (as well as your overall style of talking to people) pretty well.
If I'm going to have to explain why telling people they should fear your anger is pretty much telling them you can do what every want with them, then... no if then actually, because playing innocent is exactly what you're gonna do, no "if then"... well, there IS no reasoning with you.
(09-14-2018, 01:59 AM)Marburg Wrote: If you would like to stick to your claim that I have said that admins can do what they want, then show the proof, otherwise, back off
Marburg Wrote:I went through this thread yesterday & got rid of a number of hijack attempts & flamethowing.
It has already been made clear why we need a couple more admins, & I'm keeping the shouting post above intact to serve as an example of talking without reading, & what not to do in this thread.
Stay on topic & don't post here unless you can say something relevant.
If I have to come back & say it again, I will be angry...you wouldn't like me when I'm angry
-Burg
This is from a quick search of "admins" by "Marburg", and it reflects your overall style of moderating (as well as your overall style of talking to people) pretty well.
If I'm going to have to explain why telling people they should fear your anger is pretty much telling them you can do what every want with them, then... no if then actually, because playing innocent is exactly what you're gonna do, no "if then"... well, there IS no reasoning with you.
The segment you highlighted as an example is an american pop culture reference to the old "Incredible Hulk" tv series from way back in the day that I understand would go over your head. As far as my overall style, I've had that specific discussion with Hoodlum & Del, & they pointed out that I am (specifically was at the time) a "showbiz admin"...meaning that my adversarial bent was good for taking community heat, while other admins did their work more under the radar. I was prime, willing fodder for being a point of concentration for the anger of the angry...I listened to what they said, I agrred with them, & I consider that a badge.
However, that pop culture reference you spent your time looking for doesn't prove what you quoted me as saying, it simply illustrates your reaching propaganda
::edit- oops...too many quotes. Edited to the relevant::
btw, obviously, this should be moved to flood as it's now a Burg v. Karl thread.
No need to up the post count, yeah?
But by all means, karl keep lookin' for actual proof
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