Taiidan Bomber

[Guyton]

Yes it's sold on a Liberty Navy battleship... but wait

Taiidan HF build by GMG is sold on RH BS... so they break the rules by using it?

Also as you nicely quoted it doesn't say "Liberty" in the infocard, just in the readme file. Liberty doesn't not mean Liberty Navy does it?

But yes the most likely understanding is that it's sold to lawfull companies.

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Anyway just a reminder to you why I made this thread....

Is it free for anyone to use the Taiidan?

I believe not.....since the GMG is mentioned on the infocard, but that's just me...

If yes... is it free for anyone to use civilian ships and guns? Provided they are sold on a base neutral to them?

Some ship locations are just plain wrong....especially the taiiden heavy fighter. Because the game placed the ships in the wrong location gives you the right to use them? Hmm..I would go with the info card that states this is a vessel from a hostile faction. Do not purchase it. I believe it is not free for everyone to use.

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Discovery Freelancer [9.5 Years]

[Jinx]

we have quite some funny shifts of opinions there that become even funnier when we take other threads into account.

firstly - the civilian bomber is OK. - its a brick, its easy to hit and its extra armour doesn t make up for the bricklike handling. - but its a bomber and its a true civilian ( for those factions that are down to civilian ships ) -> it IS one of the worst bombers. - but then, gaians angels are one of the worst lvl9 faction guns, and gaians still got to use them. ( sorry, i m limited to zoners and gaians - i hardly play other factions, so its only those i pull up for examples all the time )

the taiidan bomber is really a faction based ship - GMG. and thats it. the fact that its sold on a freeport means nothing ( ! ) about its RP use ( remember, corsair turrets and order turrets are sold on capetown BHG base - and we know its wrong ).

the argument that "we only use it untill the next version is out" is void. - remember the denial of liberty primary warships guns for the BHG? - the BHG has no faction guns at all. - they are friendly ( at least the lore suggests that, not the playerfactions ) to the liberty forces - actually VERY friendly as they originate there. - and the liberty navy [SA] refused to let the BHG buy their most basic primary turrets. - it was said that the BHG must get zoner primary turrets. replace the guns with ships - and you ll see that only the most generic free for all equipment is available when it comes to faciton based gear.

i have written contradicting things to some opinions in italic. - this was the consensus of a general mood about using non faction equipment that is not clearly labled free for all ( like supernovas ). those statements are not my opinion, but cropped up in other threads as examples that boil down to the same effect.



now, reality is different - and must be different. i do not think its a problem to fly another factions ship - BUT... just like capital ships... it needs at least an agreement with the most powerful playerfaction representing the faction you wish to get the ship from. - i do believe we have some GMG factions. - so if the xenos RPed an agreement about some of the ships under the circumstances that they do actually dislike the GMG - its all fine.
on Clover, i had to make a personal petition to the elders of the corsairs to get a praetorian bomber, instead of a civvie bomber. and they are allies of the gaians. - i would never have just purchased a praetorian without telling them and getting their consent.

so, i think its no problem for other factions to fly other factions ships - as long as the agreement has been RPed and there is a logfile of the agreement for those that are interested reading up. ( the GMG is a trading faction, - the greatest enemies of a trading faction are enemy bombers. - the GMG will make SURE that the xenos will NEVER attack them in their own bombers - that for certain )

about all other factions. - there is no difference to the xenos. - when you re not GMG, you have to ask them. even a zoner should ask them, as - we all know... the zoners have a ship they call their own. its the civilian bomber.
we had the discussion with the BHG and the liberty BC. ppl said - as long as your faction has a ship that fufils the same role, you should not get another factions ship - no matter how much yours suck. why do we only apply that logic to the capital ships ( or to the BHG faction ).

and like i mentioned in the thread. i would allways say that exceptions must be made for those that roleplay getting another factions ship. ( allthough, as far as i remember, quite some ppl said "no, no exceptions" )

leaves to say:

if you do have the RP to fly one, you are free to go. - but you need the appropriate RP. - we are playing in the here and now, not in the "only untill 4.85 is out". roleplay happens in the present.

edit: sorry that post was a bit harsher than usual - but i felt like it would be appropriate to apply the arguments made in other threads into this one. people like to forget about what they said and agreed on when other factions are concerned - but the limitations and RP requirements apply to all factions the same. and i do not like factions ( npc factions ) being treated differently - unless their ingame lore suggests it.

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[bluntpencil2001]

The Civilian bomber is based on the Eagle, which is a Liberty civilian ship, not Zoner. Yet Zoners use it without asking permission from anyone...

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[ryoken]

Hey, I'm just wondering why the BH bomber isn't spammed, IMO the best bomber out there..

I use this ship, and yes i agree it is the "second" best bomber out there.(i find the dragon bomber better).
Not all BH's are cap whore's.IE I scrapped my GB to buy the Bomber.:cool:

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[Jinx]

"The Civilian bomber is based on the Eagle, which is a Liberty civilian ship, not Zoner. Yet Zoners use it without asking permission from anyone... "

even more a reason for a patriot to use it. - however, the eagle series is considered free for all, civilian ( like the supernova ) - while the taidan is not considered free for all. - however, if it is.. then all the discussion is pointless indeed.

in all fairness - i d like to hear the people that said "if your factions has access to this shipclass, you must not use another factions ship, no exceptions"
referring to the below post: - but its a GMG ship, isn t it? - GMG faction - if its civilian - can all factions fly it?

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[bluntpencil2001]

Well, the Taiidan is sold in the same room as the Roc...

Also, that would make it the best alternative to the bugged civilian bomber.

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[Dusty Lens]

A bunch of really good points.

I actually agree with you on your points expressed here. Since the issue first came to light as being an issue I've been working with various persons to grant relief to our dilemma. Largely due to work pressures and such the time I've been able to dedicate to seeing our bit back and forth carried to its conclusion things have stalled. Chances are it's time to push other things to the side to wrap it up given the current atmosphere within Discovery.

[Jinx]

don t get me wrong, i am VERY much FOR the xenos and other factions to interact in a diplomatic matter with other factions and as a result ( reward ) gain access to their gear. - THAT is what rp and - in terms of the game - political matters are all about. - this is what makes disco so great. - the communication, the roles playing and interacting - finding compromises and agreements that carry their factions much further than a NPC could do.

i would hate it if the xenos were bound to use starfliers and hawks, cause the strict rules tells them to only use the crap they can get regarding to the lore of their faction. - thats boring... no one wants that much. playerfactions and players are playing to make the whole sirius dynamical and somewhat unexpected.

but i like the factions to reflect their opportunities and respect other factions the same. its allways weighing up whats more important - ingame lore or the ongoing playerstories. - thats what a playerfaction can do in contrast to a independent, thats where playerfactions can shine. they can actually make a deal with ... GMG for example. ( an independent can do it, too - but it hasn t the same ... umm.. status as when a playerfactions does the same )

but whatever you achieved, - keep in mind that other factions may follow your example ( in that case - your good example ) and RP outside their tight factions limits, too. if we do that - disco will be a happier place. cause it ll grant freedom while we still stick to what our factions are about. - changes are made, but they are based on RP. - however, we are ( should be ) tolerant enough to at least consider changes and agreements as an ongoing developement of disco.

for example - the neutrality of the UoG and the bretonians - thats where i think the strength of disco is. to make global changes to the world we play in. - we are not limited too much to what the NPC lore tells us - we are close enough to igiss to actually make our decissions change things. - so, if the xenos like to rub shoulders with the GMG, cause they gain a great advantage from it - and in return, the GMG is granted immunity from them or another reward - its simply how things really should be.

and now, i gotto watch the soccer game:D

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[Culebra]

Can I assume that Junkers can use the Taiidan bomber as well?

[Fletcher]

Can I assume that Junkers can use the Taiidan bomber as well?

Well I see no reason PvP rule wise. However, I don't see the Junkers fielding bombers, they are scrapmen/smugglers. Not pirates or fighters (politics wise).

RP it just in case.

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