OC Capital Ship Registration.

[n00bl3t]

I'm not punishing anything. I'm regulating it. The RM has already done this for their entire fleet (Hint: Flame them instead!). I've only done it for the rarest and most powerful ship we make, since people didn't seem happy with the way things were. You want an Outcast Dreadnought? You prove to the landowners that you will be responsible enough for it. You're correct: It is anger and petulance. It is anger and petulance inspired by people's lack of appreciation for the time and effort my pilots invest in keeping our space playable. You asked for regulation: We gave you regulation. You don't like the regulation: Get over it. You asked for it, you got it.

Hiding behind the RM? Not powerful enough?

I didn't ask for it. So I'm not going to have it.

Everyone can see you for who you are now Eppy.

Eh.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[bluntpencil2001]

Joe has a point...

The asking for cash has a flavour not unlike 'bribery'. Of course, appropriate bribes might make for good RP for getting the ship from Corsica, it still rankles the players when it is necessary.

Suggesting that a 100 million 'construction fee' be given to the noob fund might help, though... but, as McNeo said earlier, this would force roleplayers to powertrade. Not ideal, really.

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[worldstrider]

I don't play an Outcast character and don't have an Outcasts ship and I'm not telling you what to do. I am pointing out this sounds a lot like , "We are big and can do whatever we like, shut the *blank* up!"

How does this make the game better for all? Is this the example of how large organized factions make play better for everyone?

Not everyone with such characters complained or asked for regulation or tried to offend you. They just want to play.

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[Eppy]

Fine. I no longer make a profit from restricting capships. See what I care. It's not like enough of them are bought to really improve our budget anyways. However, until I can be convinced that people will be responsible and quit complaining the Outcast Dreadnought will remain off of the market. If people can honestly RP for it, they can PROVE it, and we'll start granting it again, without the fee. But if anybody complains, it's right back to the RM's extreme we go. So, start convincing. Do it in a non-provocative, polite and respectful manner and you will very likely get the chance to acquire a condoned Dreadnought once more. But I'm sick and tired of taking lip, and if people berate me for doing my job then we won't get anywhere.

Also, if you want to flame, do it at here. They set the precedent and we didn't get a hell of a lot of complaint back then. You want it all to stop? Go to the source and try and stop the precedent.

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Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen

Which Dreadnought was that?

One of your nine.

[n00bl3t]

Thank you.

If I decide to buy an OC Dreadnought I will write up an RP for it and ask for your permission.

The RM. (What happened to the Praetyre debate?)

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[obnoxious1]

I feel a bunch of people are missing the big picture in this. It should be all about the roleplay aspect of the entire deal.
Lately I have seen so many cap ships flying around I almost thought there was a ban on fighters & bombers.
Seems everyone & their mother has a cap ship. Just in the last 7 days I noticed 3 or 4 Red Hessian cruisers floating in front of Malta. (not picking at anyone, just stating a point) How did they get these cruisers? I never seen one mention of a request in the RHA message dumps, with exception to one I posted & I received a good played out answer stating "the largest ship we produce is a cruiser and we are very protective of said ships. Very few of them exist and are prized by our military." I accepted that answer because it was well written & fit well into a roleplay scenario. Thus We dont have a single Red Hessian Cruiser in the fleet. yet there is a few floating around in Alpha system on a daily basis.

Here in starts the confusion, If these outcasts or allies have said cruiser, how they get it? wasn't anything posted I could find granting them one. So to follow a role play I would have to ask my ally the RHA if said ship was known to exsist. If not, is it stolen? do I help my ally by shooting it out of the sky? or do I pretend it's a ghost ship? Same could & should be said for any factions ships including the RM-1 OC destroyer or the OC Dread.
There's allready enough cap whoreing going on as is, setting limitations to who can buy a cap ship & why is not a bad idea. But the limitations & guide lines for said purchase should be done in a role play manner, not just
"Im registering my destroyer so I can kill corsairs!" That person took no effort at all in even trying to make a valid story line in role play. & In my opinion should have been denied.
Same should go for the Independents as well as the factions.
We seen 2 in the last couple weeks who bought a destroyer & a dread. Both openly stated in a system channel there soul intention was to go get revenge on the LSF & LSN with them. (Like Manhattan aint the capwhore capitol of the galaxy allready) There was no roleplay hinted at all, they just was mad & seeking revenge cause they got owned an earlier day.

So I guess I have to agree with Epp to a point. limiting capitol ships is probably gonna help the game later down the line, Were I disagree is with some of the guidelines.
1. 3 pages of RP to obtain one is a little much, sure it can be done but why so exsessive? a simple well wrote out page and a half with a story line that has a plot should do.
2. Having a valid reason for needing such a ship. 1 line comments like "I want to kill corsairs" shouldnt cut it
3. Fee's, I can see where it may help detour a few, but if they have the 750+ mill to buy it, a 100 mil more wont make a big difference so why impose it? make them role play it out.
I would also suggest making a type of contract for independents buying a cap ship. Post it on forums stating
'So & so faction is not responsible for the actions of said ship & is not affiliated with it. Ship was sold to an independent pilot & is their soul responsibility what they do with it' This would cover a factions RP in just about any system.

anyway, thats how I see it...:wacko:

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Outcast Laws Outcast Reference Outcast Registry SOB / BLS Recruiting

[Eppy]

That, my friend, is exactly what we're writing up. This whole thing is a work in progress; people with vendettas are trying to use that as an excuse to shoot it down. You get used to dealing with it after a while.

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Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen

Which Dreadnought was that?

One of your nine.

[Eternal]

Ok , I'm not going to write a huge page to explain why I'll post here. I don't want flames...

Last time Epyon tried this , I was one of the main people who bashed him about it. Now , mounth or so later I need to confess that he did have a point. I agree with the larger picture you are tring to creat.

What I don't agree is the two sentance RP from an OC Desi captain and you accepted him , I say this because I happen to meet that said captain and his RP was less then poor.

The denial for Dreadnaught - agree

The taxing fee of 100m - 100 m = 15-20 minute's more , so ... I sorta agree. But it would be good to see the money going to the noob bank.

A little suggestion - Ask for solid and good RP for the Desi too !!

edit - So the Dread is for OFFICIAL factions only ? I mean , not just player groups with the same tag *cought* ESS *cought* ?

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[Cynic]

So now everything is settled. The mildly controversial profiteering of the 101st is no more, and now they restrict any dreadnoughts unless they really think you should have one.

Factional Fascism is a constant threat, but with the Outcasts it usually works out fine, like here.

[Grimtooth]

I see no problem with asking for solid role play from would be cap ship owners and restricting the Dreadnaught is also reasonable.
What possible use would an independent player who is playing with maybe one or two friends and not only is not looking to join a faction but could really care less about role play?
The answer is simple he wants to cap/pvp whore with it.
A Dreadnaught is not only supposed to be a symbol of power it should be meant as a command vessel for an entire fleet not someone's personal kill every thing in sight play toy.
Think of it along these lines.
During WWII the United States most powerful ship was the Iowa class battleship we had 7 of them i think. Now what are the chances that the US would have sold one of those to another country not involved in that war? Absolutely ZERO!! We would not have sold one even to our allies let alone some yahoo who just wanted to sail it around and kill any ship he saw on sight with it.

So we have the outcasts who are at war with the corsairs saying they will only sell a dread where it can be of use to them in their war efforts ( official outcast factions) and i say that is as it SHOULD be. I think some of the crying over this is from those who just wanted to show how big their Epeen is.