Breezewood witnessed the first fight. I think the core issue here is that the FTP ships and Ridgenose both thought they were acting in character and that the other sides was going against the unspoken rules of the server. It cuts to the heart of the eternal conflict of Discovery: balancing the PVP and the RP elements of what we do.
On the FTP front, they didn't respond to Ridgenose's banter, which is a shame as I was enjoying the tense but civil conversation we were having at the gate. To be fair to FTP, Ridgenose broke off to engage them, it's not like FTP dropped a Gunboat in the middle of our conversation to spoil our fun. Ridgenose felt they were acting to character given the rules of the world. Pilots exchange jabs before they exchange laser blasts, even if their ID's clearly spell them out as enemies. As a player who favors RP over pew-pew myself, I appreciate that mindset. Ridgenose was the second time I was stopped on my journey that night. The first time I lost a few million in the Omegas to a taciturn Junker. The second time I swapped a cigar for a back and forth on the Liberty and Rheinland civil wars. I found one much more satisfying than the other, to the point where I was glad I didn't have a completely uneventful flight. For certain players, the trading of barbs and the battle of wits IS the game, and the dogfighting is entirely secondary.
In contrast, I also see why FTP felt they were acting true to character. They're minding their own business out in the fields and see a member of a known hostile group (xenos in general, XA in particular) shooting the breeze with the Navy. When the Xeno disengages, the navy does nothing to protect them. So FTP calls in the big guns to deal with the threat rather than chit-chat. It's a reasonable escalation given the situation, and heaven knows we've all had times where we've started to type only to be blasted out of the sky. It's very exposing to have your hands on your keyboard and not your mouse, especially when you KNOW it's going to end in conflict anyway. Breezewood always stops as a matter of policy, no matter the threat, because I enjoy the banter more than the chase. Not every Orbital captain thinks that way, though, and the line between what is sufficient RP is terribly blurred. Other factions, I imagine, have a similar split of players.
So yes, I would have liked to have seen a few more sentences out of FTP to make their intentions clear. A simple "If the navy won't, we will," gives a lot more color to that fight and makes everyone happy (and could have given a kick-ass line to steal for a Wanderlust article). But I totally get why they acted how they acted, and can sympathize with bringing out the big guns to win the day. The kicker is we are all game content for each other, and we should always be aiming to make the server a fun experience for other players, even at the cost of ourselves. Every time Breezewood gets hit, it makes some pirate's day, and I get a little thrill out of resolving the tense stand-off so everyone wins. I think the only thing that needs to really be said here for FTP is a few lines of dialogue go a long way to differentiating a PC from an abnormally well armed and well piloted NPC. Make yourselves memorable, and the server will welcome you with open arms. For instance, I've enjoyed FTP's work trying to find a missing liner for Orbital.
As for bringing a gunboat to a dogfight, you really can't hold breaking an unwritten rule against a group when it's unwritten. Bringing in an ally to scare off a fighter is perfectly acceptable in my book, though I would let the fighters have their fun for a bit before intervening. Admittedly the bar for a group going for officialdom is higher than one that already has it, but asymmetrical fights are a part of the game everywhere save Connecticut.
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Hey - so it looks like all of you blocked me on discord so I'm posting this here.
It looks like you guys are having some issues stemming from the roleplay consequences of your faction diplomacy. I'm not really a big fan of retconning, but if your membership is having legitimate issues (player, not character), I'm open to discussing a storyline that can reconcile your diplomacy with the Federalists.
Preventing oorp toxicity is something I'd like to prioritize, and I'm seeing some warning signs of that.
My door is always open, and if you'd like to discuss it - you have my discord!
Discord is closed until further notice! Srry dont take it personal, we have to reconstruct our internal structure. It may be opend again in the future. Please dont feel harmed by it.
If there is anything you need to discuss, we need to stick to PMs at the moment!
If Gallia is hostile for you then why are you buying ore there? Well, I understand, you're ooRP traders. But why you had to sit in one group with HMS- in the other side of Sirius? The quality of interactions with your guys is awful, you are either escape if you see red or start to write random cringe in local chat
(09-05-2020, 11:24 AM)Groshyr Wrote: If Gallia is hostile for you then why are you buying ore there? Well, I understand, you're ooRP traders. But why you had to sit in one group with HMS- in the other side of Sirius? The quality of interactions with your guys is awful, you are either escape if you see red or start to write random cringe in local chat
I don't compeltely understand what this comment is trying to state other than try and demoralize us further, i don't feel that type of feedback is relevant - While you may have your personal opinions of us that is fine and garnering from a select few community members they also feel the same but keeping on hitting on the same exact subjects over and over does get tiresome! We're here to play the game get used to it, we're going to run into issues at times but we can only work to better ourselves continuously hitting on the same negatives all the time really isn't the way forward is it!
Lets have a bit more friendliness shall we from now on theres no need to hate on us. We'll happily take any feedback and advice but comments like that are moderately innapropriate, if you're just here to make negatives points than to aid u sin bettering ourselves then i suggest you keep opinions to yourself in future!
(09-05-2020, 11:24 AM)Groshyr Wrote: If Gallia is hostile for you then why are you buying ore there? Well, I understand, you're ooRP traders. But why you had to sit in one group with HMS- in the other side of Sirius? The quality of interactions with your guys is awful, you are either escape if you see red or start to write random cringe in local chat
Are you just a little bit stupid by any chance ? just becuase gallia house reputations don't like us means that the unlawful factions don't like us ? No this isn't the damned case we can still dock at enclave bases as we are neutral to them we can sell them stuff by there stuff. I don't think you know what ooRP means. All your doing is trying to demoralize us, well let me tell you now, it isn't fucking working with us go take your shit elsewhere as it isn't be noticed to heavily here.
Wow, so agressive one. And this is what your faction is? ooRP powertrading and abusing gaps and mistakes? Like docking GRE bases only because nobody bothered yet to mirror Enclave reps to other factions? Hm, very interesting
(09-05-2020, 01:33 PM)Groshyr Wrote: Wow, so agressive one. And this is what your faction is? ooRP powertrading and abusing gaps and mistakes? Like docking GRE bases only because nobody bothered yet to mirror Enclave reps to other factions? Hm, very interesting
Well if you SOOO concerned that a mistake has been made go get it fixed, we are playing to our ID and the reputations that it has given us just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean it is right/wrong.
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