Liberty Goverment?

[Praetyre]

I have an important question reguarding Liberty Goverment.

Does it exist?

Well, where do you think the Navy and LSF comes from? Liberty probably has a Department of Defence.

Who makes the Laws In Liberty Space?

I'd expect, in decreasing order of priority:

1. The Constitution of the Republic of Liberty
2. Federal laws and statutes
3. Military regulations (particularily if a state of martial law was declared)
4. System laws and statutes
5. Planetary laws and statutes
6. Local laws and statutes

Do we have a president?(Real)

Indeed. President James Powell (elected 811 AS) is the successor to President Barbara Jacobi.

Does Military have the right to control everything?
Discuss now.

I don't understand your question. Control what, exactly? The military can make local laws and regulations and probably has expanded powers in emergencies or martial law, but the rule of law is central to any republic, not militarism.

Also, Liberty is probably a republic, not a democracy. If it was a democracy, why haven't the workers in Colorado voted to nationalize the major corporations by now? Unless rich people are the majority in Liberty...

And what the the "President" do. here? Where is he/she, I don't care about in game but in the forums. And if the "President" makes the decisions shouldn't that come from there department, and Not the military.

Decisions about what? Laws on importation and contraband are hardly the sort of thing warranting direct Executive intervention.

IF this RP Governments exists why is it so disconnected from everyone else? I see no where a Faction for Liberty Government. I don't see any form a government anywhere but in the military.

Let us discuss the possibility of having a Liberty Government Faction. Where theres elections, congressional hirings, and other fun RPing for those who enjoy being a politician. Where someone can truly same Liberty is a Democracy. Think about it.

Sadly, not many people want to roleplay civilians. You are basically proposing the active roleplaying of a civilian government, and it's fairly likely they wouldn't fly around much (the Manhattan bureaucrats probably live there, leaders might make political trips, go to meetings.. at best, you'd have a visit to a foreign embassy).

It's a cool idea, but best left to forum-RP, in my opinion.

We could have presidential campaigns were you say at the end of every message..."I'm so and so...and I approve this message"

I'd rather have lower level positions, Governor at the most, which aren't as dramatic in their ramifications.

And can debate on how to Fix our policy's with Rhineland and lift any embargo's with in Libery's control.

I think it would be a healthy break from having "the military controlling the government."

The Military job is to protect the government and it's people. If the Military messes up who is going to slap there wrist? The summons? thats control by the military.
edit: does anyone really know? this is why this should be brought up.

I don't know Liberty's economic policy, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was a hotbed of anti-German and protectionist sentiment in Congress. Militaries often have their own police services to police personnel, and typically the high command keeps things in line. If the high command goes nuts, that's the job of loyalists.

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[AdamantineFist]

Come to think of it i don't think any house does, maybe Corsairs and Outcasts as they run their poliltics different to us and other lawful houses but i think most orders are handed out by the most high ranking person in the top factions of each house.

Well... Rheinland has a leader! Der Gottkanzler! Psst... don't tell anyone I told you this, but... Virus is actually der Gottkanzler!!:yes:

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[RmJ]

IF that process happens show me. I want proof theres and order of operation.

Who does this work?

//From Praetyre//
1. The Constitution of the Republic of Liberty
2. Federal laws and statutes
3. Military regulations (particularily if a state of martial law was declared)
4. System laws and statutes
5. Planetary laws and statutes
6. Local laws and statutes

Wheres is the Liberty Constitution.? Are we in a continuous martial law? Planetary Law is very interesting to me. Do we have Governors?

I see no senate approval or is that the Federal Laws?


Edit: ///From Praetyre///

"It's a cool idea, but best left to forum-RP, in my opinion."

Yes it would mainly be a forum job.

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[Praetyre]

My guess, personally, is:

Kusari: Emperor

Outcasts: An inner circle of major families, among them the Bonellos, the people leading the Reapers, the leaders of the Blue Lotus Syndicate and probably a Corsican family as well.

Corsairs: Similar to Outcasts, but with the major players being the Benitez, the Elders and likely some agricultural families as well.

IF that process happens show me. I want proof theres and order of operation.

Who does this work?

//From Praetyre//
1. The Constitution of the Republic of Liberty
2. Federal laws and statutes
3. Military regulations (particularily if a state of martial law was declared)
4. System laws and statutes
5. Planetary laws and statutes
6. Local laws and statutes

Wheres is the Liberty Constitution.? Are we in a continuous martial law? Planetary Law is very interesting to me. Do we have Governors?

I see no senate approval or is that the Federal Laws?

My view of Liberty, at least, is that each of the 6 major systems has a governor, with similar powers to that of a State Governor in the US.

Many laws cover things outside the scope of the game, like vote buying, insider trading, internet (or equivalent ) scams, adoption, cruelty to animals etc.. planetary law would pretty much apply at the planetary level, which is something largely outside the game's scope. Hence, most laws we see in game are really either common laws enforced by the military due to prevalence (such as grand theft auto) and it's likely the Constitution speaks more of the operation of government than particular laws (save things like prohibiting establishing a state religion, for example)

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[Lucend]

The Liberty Government faction is a potentially interesting idea, but from my experience in the Corsair "Council," it gets real annoying real fast. Unless you actually have fun from bashing people around politically there really is no reason to do it. (Most of us in the council do, though)

I have a feeling that the faction leaders would want to keep control of their factions and not be subjected to the orders of someone not connected to whatever is happening ingame.

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"The thirteen saloons that had lined the one street of Seney had not left a trace. The foundations of the Mansion House hotel stuck up above the ground. The stone was chipped and split by the fire. It was all that was left of the town of Seney. Even the surface had been burned off the ground.
Nick looked at the burned-over stretch of hillside, where he had expected to find the scattered houses of the town and then walked down the railroad track to the bridge over the river. The river was there."

Osaika Moto, the Fall and Rise of a Kusari Farmer

Juan Lucendez, √ Corsair

[AdamantineFist]

My guess, personally, is:

Kusari: Emperor

Outcasts: An inner circle of major families, among them the Bonellos, the people leading the Reapers, the leaders of the Blue Lotus Syndicate and probably a Corsican family as well.

Corsairs: Similar to Outcasts, but with the major players being the Benitez, the Elders and likely some agricultural families as well.

To add to that:


Rheinland: Gottkanzler

Bretonia: Queen, although I'm not certain what degree of power she holds. The Parliament is also an important political entity.

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[RmJ]

And where do the civilians word be put? If someone wants to change something do HAVE to join the LPI,LNS, LSF? Is it possible for players to have any weight on decisions without being in a Defense Faction?


EDIT: I'm not talking about anything else but Liberty Housing Factions. Get boss in here. Get Liberty in here to discuss this.

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[AdamantineFist]

Hmm... has a Liberty Constitution been written up? Because that would have an impact on what the LN/LSF could (not) do.

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[Praetyre]

To add to that:
Rheinland: Gottkanzler

Bretonia: Queen, although I'm not certain what degree of power she holds. The Parliament is also an important political entity.

Heh.. I was just going on the more ambigious ones. There have been multiple conflicting portrayals of Kusari, whereas Liberty/Bretonia/Rheinland's leaders are pretty well known.

Well, if you want to complain about military law, I'd advise taking it to the military first. Maybe some kind of special "Citizen's Investigative Oversight Bureau on Military Affairs", if you will, like Bong's old column.

But, largely, what would be the point? Does your character have a burning desire to change the planetwide animal control regulations on Houston? Or does he want to bring Mormon polygamy to Sector 4 of Manhattan?

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[RmJ]

This isn't a military issue this is the issue between civilians and the government, the military is one of the civil issues.

EDIT: The Military works for the Government the Government works for the Civilians.

Theres no agenda other that create more RP play here. And your comments on Mormon polygamy isn't needed here. I don't want them therefore they will not exist in this topic.

And show me the Liberty Government as people say are RP

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