' Wrote:Blunt, I'd say I disagree with you in there. This is an RP server after all. Some time ago we had a group of Corsairs financing their Osirises (yes, in the plural) with Diamond-Niobium money from traders that sported the very same tag they used to attack us in Rheinland in their capitals. After collecting enough evidence that the group was the same one (both from rumors from people that wandered outside of our ZoI, long range sensors and the sort) we started shooting their traders as Corsair collaborators. After all, that's what they were, without hiding the fact. Anything different from that and I'd call it circumventing RP with a technicality. I'd say the JG must be prepared to have their traders influenced by their group's diplomacy, because in RP they aren't merely traders, but supporters of a group of mercenaries.
Right, that's cool by me. I just worry that lawful factions, and those near-lawful that don't shoot civilians (such as SCRA), wouldn't be able to punish their tagged traders.
You should be a politician. That was the best non-answer to an honest question I have seen in a long time. I did not ask you if you record conversations with your clients. I already know the answer to that since I am in possession of said recordings thanks to your brother Dulapticus. (Give me a smart answer like that again and I'll post them publicly)
What I asked is how much you screen your clients. Does honor or truth even matter if you are getting paid?
Since I already know the anser to that as well, I will move on. Please tell me this:
How can you claim to be absolutely neutral while taking unlawful bounty contracts, also known as "hits"? Yes, they are unlawful, (the fact that the admins approved them means they are within RP not that they are lawful, there is a big, BIG difference.) You claim to be a friend to traders, yet you are hunting a lawful trader who has given away more money to traders than you have ever collected in escort fees. How does this make you any better than the Mafia of old?
You should be a politician. That was the best non-answer to an honest question I have seen in a long time. I did not ask you if you record conversations with your clients. I already know the answer to that since I am in possession of said recordings thanks to your brother Dulapticus. (Give me a smart answer like that again and I'll post them publicly)
What I asked is how much you screen your clients. Does honor or truth even matter if you are getting paid?
Since I already know the anser to that as well, I will move on. Please tell me this:
How can you claim to be absolutely neutral while taking unlawful bounty contracts, also known as "hits"? Yes, they are unlawful, (the fact that the admins approved them means they are within RP not that they are lawful, there is a big, BIG difference.) You claim to be a friend to traders, yet you are hunting a lawful trader who has given away more money to traders than you have ever collected in escort fees. How does this make you any better than the Mafia of old?
Stringfellow Hawke
Mr. Hawk,
The Jupiter Guild are indeed completely neutral, and I would like you to inform that you have not been our only bounty we hunted. Matter of fact we get much more lawfull bounty contracts then unlawfull.
Now Hawk I also advice you to stop claiming yourself as ''Lawfull trader'' you have been spotted with multiple contraband cargo. So please keep the lies to yourself.
What does giving away money to traders matters on this subject? It's a Jupiter Guild feedback, not a ''Look how good Mr. Hawke is'' subject. So please cut the fary tail stuff of yours.
The Jupiter Guild are Mercs, not bounty hunters. If you'd read our ID you'll see that we are alloud to accept lawfull aswell as unlawfull bounty's.
So unless you got something else of your pathetic whine story stop spamming our feedback post.
Quote:0) When you have JG in your name, you represent the whole. If player A is dropping the ball, it effects B C D E F G.
So we see an LSF tagged officer RP as being infected with nomads, we should assume all LSF are nomad infested. He is LSF taged right so that must be true....hmmm.
Quote:1) Aint no such thing as neutrality.
Talk to Zoners.
Quote:2) Mixing lawful crud and unlawful crud is a no go. You can't make out with the Bounty Hunters then turn around and make out with the Outcasts to turn around again and make out with the Corsairs without someone slapping you.
Then classify what a merc is? Also I dont need to make out with BH to get that ship....you have been had.
Quote:3) Want to play nice with the unlawfuls and get their toys? Don't turn around and work for the good guys.
Again, we play nice with every one. I do not come after you unless some one else you were not playing nice with asked for your head on a platter.
Now most sensible people understand that we are merely hired hands and don't hold an anamosity towards us.
We try explain that to those who get angry at us for collecting the bounty.
Look for engagement rules of JG posted by me close to a year ago.
Quote:4) Want to play nice with the lawfuls and get their toys? Don't turn around and work for the bad guys.
Again Sir, look for the mercinary ID and read through it. That is what they do.
As far as JG has been concerned, we have never gone on a rampage against any faction.
We are selective and only move when it is worthwhile to us. now why is that a bad RP?
Quote:5) Kill the lawfuls, don't go begging for them to let you keep floating in manhat orbit. Kill the unlawfuls, don't go begging for them to not set you to hostile.
Is that a question? or are you planning to Join JG and are dictating our rules of RP ? please explain.
Quote:Zoners get a free meal ticket with a lot of people because they have shiny bases and keep their noses clean, even still they don't get a free ride.
...and JG does?.. Cause I have never seen those who wanna attack us go... "hey dont attack him, he is a zoner."
for what I can tell the only factions that gets a free ride on Disco are OC and their allies.
Next time go through their arsenal and Hardware and see if they are having a ball or not.
Anyhow that is my opinion.
Quote:Zoner mercs are as neutral as the first contract they take, after that it only goes downhill.
I beg to differ. If RP was this two dimensional and simple, we would all be playing a game called discovery tic-tac-toe with only 4 places to mark. and if any war started there would be no cease fire and AW and TBH would still be fighting cause there is no such thing as uphill.
Tell me this, are you hostile to all the factions who's pilots you have ever opened fired against ?
Quote:Why Liberty lets any mercs with unlawful kit float in their orbit doing their bidding, or any lawful looks at a guy in a BH ship and reckons he's good to go is beyond me.
I might be ablse to answer that for you, though you should be asking liberty that. Next time there is an invasion, see who is helping LSF and SA defend their territory. Also pay attention to the Liberty pilot load outs and then try to ponder why a lot of them use a pair of Buck shots on their ships. Oh yeah they are in bed with each other , except I see their pilots being blown to bits by liberty caps all the time.
In relation to Mr. Hawk, why might I ask you are still bothering us when we withdrew the bounty from you due to lack of activity by the client (person who hired us)? During my initial pursuit of you, you docked on Rochester (clearly a sketchy "lawful" move) then proceeded to undock with an Adv. Train full of Counterfeit Software. I do ask that you cease bothering us given that we have done the same.
Now, to Sovereign... I'll try to clear this bit up.
We assisted not only TBH and AW during the lovely diplomatic mission a while ago, we assisted all other Corsairs in general from the marauding Asgard and vice-versa. Given that, and sending food and medical supplies to Crete, they have chosen to trust us.
Now, I must disagree with your statement that the Corsairs and enemies of Liberty, do to the barrage of report threats and OOC "// Corsairs can't be in Liberty" that they all recieve if they ever set foot within the House. If you are to declare them enemies, I must ask that you allow them into your House for raids (threat free of course, all in the good nature of RP) in the name of fairness.
In addition, the Navy and LPI info cards only state members of the OC alliance to be foes of Liberty, and as such Corsairs should be treated as Unfriendly, but not hostile. The enemy of your enemy is most likely your friend, call that hunch. Now, if they pursue any hostile interactions, then yes, kill them. But given the fact that your enemies worst enemy, they're probably just hunting the OC's weaker minions. All of this is of course given a perfect RP environment. Players however, are much less predictable.
Basically what I'm trying to say is, since everybody considers Corsairs in Liberty OORP, then why are they enemies of the state? Of course, Order allies and whatnot, but as I said before, realistically they shouldn't be in Alaska in the first place but they pull the "Allies" card. Really, they only bother Rheinland, Bretonia, and Kusari, yet if you give them the power to harrass Liberty too (i.e. declaring them enemies) that would give them equal or more free reign than the bounty hunter when it comes to space. If I were you, I would take pride in the fact that Liberty is the only non-Corsair ridden cesspool. However, ultimately that is your decision, my point is simply that as of now Corsairs are not via info card enemies of Liberty (except LSF, but they run secret missions in foreign Houses so must deal with foreign pirate threats). So since as of now, Corsairs are not enemies of the state, why would you mind if we saved thousands, or perhaps hundreds of thousands of lives? Especially with tensions building in Rheinland, the Corsair sub-House could prove a valuable ally should anything happen (war mayhap?). Right... Where was I? Right! Corsairs, not technically "hostile" unless you really wish to abandon your uniqueness, why grouse over us rescuing a large sum of lives?
Corsairs aren't simply green/white/red automated ships who shoot things and belong to a strip of data saying who their enemies are. They (again in a perfect RP world) are people of respect and pride. If we save thousands of their people, no doubt they will assist us in whatever way they can. A sort of blood debt you might call it. We wished armaments for the militarized group of our Guild. I think people are too constricted about things these days, "Faction equipment good, Un-factionized equipment bad! *report button*. Scanning... No thirty-eight page story for non-faction equipment detected, confirming violation report button press in 3... 2... 1. Complete." As nerdy as this sounds, think of this as real life at times, if you saved a million lives in a unfriendly/hostile nation, you'll still likely get the Nobel Peace Prize or some equivalent honor. By this, I mean that if we saved rediculous amounts of Corsairs and they reward us with arms, the people of Liberty will likely still respect us.
I think thats all, if I remember anything else I wanted to say I'll make sure to edit/post again.
Quote:Again, we play nice with every one. I do not come after you unless some one else you were not playing nice with asked for your head on a platter.
Now most sensible people understand that we are merely hired hands and don't hold an anamosity towards us.
We try explain that to those who get angry at us for collecting the bounty.
Look for engagement rules of JG posted by me close to a year ago.
You expect a faction, in RP, not to be mad at you because you killed their pilot for a pile of money?
In RP? What?
I understand your view from gameplay perspective, but you can't expect someone to love ya even though you killed his friend.
For example, you take a contract against Hogosha pilot. You kill a Hogosha pilot.
You come to New Tokyo and 5 Hogosha pilots attack you.
You say : "What the hell? I was just doing my job!!!11!!1".
Who cares? Do a contract against ANYONE who is aligned with my faction and I will kill you every time I see you.
That is fairly simple, and that is the reason why MOST mercs behave.
For example, Mandalorians don't go around killing BAF and Dragons just for business.
They keep by one side, fighting against the other. And that's the way to go.
You have to understand that you can't be friends/neutral to everyone.
Kill an Outcast, expect all Outcasts to shoot you, you are no longer neutral.
Kill a LPI, expect whole Liberty to shoot you, you are no longer neutral.
This is a game yes, but your behavior has to go with RP.
Quote:We try explain that to those who get angry at us for collecting the bounty.
In RP, it's a matter of life and death, not respawning point.
It's the simplest way to put it.
Quote:Again Sir, look for the mercinary ID and read through it. That is what they do.
As far as JG has been concerned, we have never gone on a rampage against any faction.
We are selective and only move when it is worthwhile to us. now why is that a bad RP?
It's not, but don't expect the factions you attacked to threat you nicely, because they won't.
And it seems to me like you do expect that.
Quote:Tell me this, are you hostile to all the factions who's pilots you have ever opened fired against ?
I am hostile to all factions I ever took contract against, yes.
I did kill a Corsair as Hogosha in New Tokyo, only because he attacked me first.
He was then declared a traitor by Crete officials and there was no hostilities between me and Corsairs.
If I kill an Outcast in front of Malta for 3 mil credits and then I dock on Malta to buy bots/bats... Something's wrong, ain't it?
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
Quote:I'm going to emphasize the "we gave the Benitez family something in return". Corsairs are enemies of Liberty, in the context of your RL analogy, that's like this:
Mercs go up to US employment office. People notice the AK-47s. People ask "Who'd you buy those from?" Mercs answer "Al-Queda". "So, you gave money to Al-Queda." "Yeah."
Hopefully I don't need to go further with this line of reasoning.
Since you are so keen on real life examples. Go to a Knife and Gun show in the US and see if there are any AK-47's on sale there. They even tell you how to convert them to make then automatic with a little filing (illegal as fully automatic weapons can not be sold to civilians).
As long as NRA is in action in US, this will continue to happen. God bless America.
Also the Black Water operatives currently in IRAQ are not stopped at each check point to see what guns they are using to defend your interests.
Quote:You expect a faction, in RP, not to be mad at you because you killed their pilot for a pile of money?
In RP? What?
I understand your view from gameplay perspective, but you can't expect someone to love ya even though you killed his friend.
1. {For example, you take a contract against Hogosha pilot. You kill a Hogosha pilot.
You come to New Tokyo and 5 Hogosha pilots attack you.
You say : "What the hell? I was just doing my job!!!11!!1".
Who cares? Do a contract against ANYONE who is aligned with my faction and I will kill you every time I see you.}
2. {That is fairly simple, and that is the reason why MOST mercs behave.
For example, Mandalorians don't go around killing BAF and Dragons just for business.}
{They keep by one side, fighting against the other. And that's the way to go.
You have to understand that you can't be friends/neutral to everyone.
Kill an Outcast, expect all Outcasts to shoot you, you are no longer neutral.
Kill a LPI, expect whole Liberty to shoot you, you are no longer neutral.}
This is a game yes, but your behavior has to go with RP.
Thank you for all this informaiton. I have added numbers to your points and replying to them now.
1. ..and JG has done this when ? please dont pull examples out of thin air.
2...Please don't dictate our RP. We are minding our own "business" in game and will not conform to "your" needs. My friend, the problem is you have not figured out how we RP so I will do you a favor and explain how JG operates.
First of all, our dealing with the other side is not "OPEN KNOWLEDGE" (remember what you are seeing here is just for the sake of info on forums and will not be used on the server). If we drop food at crete, we are not declaring in liberty where it is going {though frankly liberty dont even care, they scan thefood and let us go). If we kill a liberty officer, it is not done under a JG outfit. I switch to a bad guy and then collect that bounty. We RP that to the bad guys as some thing that will be done. If there is assistance needed against liberty, you will see JG ships disappearing and then a Xeno, a rogue an OC group appears in Manhatten, conducts their business and disappears. You will not see JG ships running about killing Liberty or Bounty hunters or destroying transports. They definately portray a lawful image in Liberty. We are the zoner affiliated mercs remember ?. We some times even broker our bounties out to our trusted other side contacts too. The only thing I can assure you of, is if you hire me, I will not betray you.
( Also take a deep breath mate and ask questions about what you do not understand about us. Try not to flame because we are here just to satidfy your curiosity.)
PEACE.
Long time ago JG-snowman or similar tried to take a bounty on my head.
I was on my Hogosha character back then. And it was under JG flag, not some Outcast/Rogue etc.
So yes, I am talking about the facts. He didn't kill me, so my character knows very well who attempted to kill him.
And the next time he sees JG, he'll shoot it. Yup.
I understand your 'secret deals', but I just fail to see the point of having in game JG characters, if they won't be fulfilling bounties.
What do they serve for then?
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
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