Staff Feedback Thread

[Oggdo Bogdo]

A few years ago, the first thing anyone reads in the server rules is a list of obligations by the admin team. Two out of four of them are that you treat everyone fairly. Lots of videos of blatant rule violations get floated around in the community and some find their way into reports and staff takes no action against them because they're in the same in-group that staff members are part of or like. Meanwhile when it's someone that staff very clearly dislikes you will sanction them over nothing by changing the standards required. When you take no action you say it's because you don't want to publicly humiliate the offending party, but clearly that goes out the window when it's someone you don't like.

Every single person that voted to sanction should be providing good reasons as to why they did this. 1.0 as it is, is nothing more than an excuse to apply at-will heavy decisions to people that staff doesn't like and they don't have to answer to anyone as to why they did it. Being allowed to vote on a sanction for something that isn't a rulebreak and then not having to be accountable to the community at all and waiting to be pressured into giving a response by playing dumb is ridiculous.

It's also very interesting that you decide to sanction this after it is explicitly stated in 2.1 that 2 messages and 10 seconds of delay is considered "sufficient" roleplay. For most of discovery's history it was never stated so explicitly, but now that it is, you suddenly decide to shift the goalposts and say it's not enough. How is this treating your players fairly?

You have made a habit out of providing extremely low-quality interactions ingame. While trawling the playerlist for lower-skilled PVPers to /l1 /2, logging off, and then deleting the ship afterwards is not otherwise a violation of engagement rules, it is not in any meaningful sense "roleplaying", and it isn't something we want to see here.

Based on this wording, you'd assume that hunting noobs and deleting the ship after a one-off interaction is something Mort does regularly. Yet, Mort uploads most of the fights he's been in and you can see him often on the same ships and factions he usually flies and regularly faces unfavorable odds as well. This attempt to paint an alleged offender in the worst light possible to try and win public opinion is very distasteful to say the least.

Funnily enough, what you described is also exactly the quality of RP that you'd expect from recent officially organised PvP events, which staff seems to always be absent from for some reason and is fine with letting them turn into a clusterfk while letting the event devs and volunteers take all the flak and the fall for it despite making zero effort (not even attending it, just totally absent, very unlike previous staff teams) to make sure they run smoothly or that event ships are put in trustworthy hands. The majority of the people that show up to these event formats do /1 /2, sometimes joining the already overwhelmingly winning side, and then logging off and deleting the ship after the event has concluded. I guess you'd love to sanction half the server too instead of taking any accountability for being negligent.

It's also interesting to think that if you had sanctioned a less known player the same way they'd have zero public support even if they weren't breaking any rules and you'd get away with it without having to be accountable for it.

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[Chronicron]

As this was a case with another one of our members, Die Wilde Jagd will not recognise this sanction. We will not be taking any disciplinary action until this practice of favoritism and double standards comes to an end.

Consider this an ultimatum. If this continues, Das Wilde will not be remaining as an active entity on the server and we will spread the news of this malpractice so that everybody knows how you treat your own playerbase.

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[MFN Neuss/Helmut Schmid]

As this was a case with another one of our members, Die Wilde Jagd will not recognise this sanction. We will not be taking any disciplinary action until this practice of favoritism and double standards comes to an end.

Consider this an ultimatum. If this continues, Das Wilde will not be remaining as an active entity on the server and we will spread the news of this malpractice so that everybody knows how you treat your own playerbase.

You don't need to threaten the devs that your faction won't play anymore
Firstly, Das Wilde is not a large faction
secondly, it looks absolutely pathetic for your faction that you have to threaten the devs
Thirdly, who is favored here?
Ultimatum he says xD
No one cares if you faction is playing or not xD

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[Chuba]

I dont know who Mort is nor do I really care, but I think this ban is bit silly. If you are punishing a guy for "low quality interactions" why isn't the same done to every silent trader or other (I won't point fingers at anyone in particular) players that bring nothing but /1 /2 to the table? I believe this punishment is far too harsh. No warning, no sanction, but a straight ban for 1 month? Get real.

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[Jeuge]

I post very rarely but I find this sanction strange and worrying.

Once again, Discovery is hit by a lack of transparency — especially troubling when a 1.0 rule exists, paving the way for the community to lose trust in the admin team

the so-called ‘consequence’ given by the admin remains unclear, this sanction ultimately does nothing good for the community. Instead, it will raise questions, sow doubt among players, and create a toxic, paranoid atmosphere on Discovery — something that everyone wants to avoid.

But some solutions exist . Sanctions of this kind should be handled with full transparency ,made public, with evidence accessible to all while of course strictly protecting the anonymity of the complainants. This should not be a problem for the admin team, who must support the decisions they make and take full responsibility for them(I hope so).

Fly safe.

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[Eternal.Journey]

I need the evidence to confirm this, but if its evidence of the case i think it is (among others)... then it is at least a case thats been ongoing for 4 months. If it is in part because of this incident... Yeah. This sanction is justified.

What isnt justified, is the timeframe. This is where the issue lies with this sanction, for me, personally. Four Months+ (as staff were already aware before said case I was aware of.)

This again leads me back to the aforementioned Faction Leniency. Anyone who wrongs DTR gets the case processed against them in literally days.

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[TheKusari]

You guys really did goof this one, at least with the information available to non-staff members.

If former staff members as myself and @TheDoctorXI think this needs to be overturned, which we both do (read Doc's reply above), then as a group you really need to rethink this.

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[Sombs]

As someone who frequently watches Mort's Discovery YouTube videos, I'm not entirely blind to questionable behavior, conversations or shenanigans, and despite not wanting to join the bandwagon here, I do believe the reason given is flimsy at best. With the lack of a direct rule violation, it is no surprise a good chunk of the community gets aggravated by this sanction, since "you only logged for PvP but actually did give the absolute minimum of RP, namely engagement lines" sets a very dangerous precedent. Especially considering I haven't found any previous sanctions under Mort's name (feel free to correct me here), or a sanction with a similar reasoning.

I don't particularly care about whether any player is worth more than other players to the community or the game development. The rules apply to everyone the same, be it a PvP player, a silent trader, a moderator, admin or developer - which is why the reason for the ban is problematic, to say the least.

Low quality roleplay behavior has always been an issue. Be it about people who do just log for PvP and give not more roleplay lines than /1 and /2, silent powertraders or any other lolwutty behavior. Punishing people for doing the set minimum, however, is not encouraging people to do more. They will just stay in Connecticut and further the gap. While that obviously seems preferable for anyone who doesn't like to face dangerous PvPers, it's not what we aim for. We want people to get into the roleplay environment, behave according to the roleplay environment, and this includes people logging to provide threat.

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[Venemon]

I heard Alucard's and now Mort's ban, now gotta log to say, you people are outta of your minds by being trigger happy about banning your own most active members for something accidental or so minor, not to mention Mort is the least malicious person you could find in the community

[_WOLF_]

This is a Haste appeal
(Lead Developer): You write about some rules, but you break them yourself. The rules of the server are clearly stated:
2.1 - You must provide sufficient roleplay before attacking another player, and give them enough time to react. This means at least two messages and 10 seconds delay before attacking.
Note: Every form of RP is acceptable.
As I understand it, this rule has not been violated. You punished a person in the absence of a violation, no matter what you say about roleplaying and the viability of the server. This server lives thanks to players like Sergei (Mort). I feel that you can not get through to you, otherwise it would have turned out, justifying the unfair ban, you would have admitted your mistake. In your time you were reprimanded and you accepted and drew conclusions. So why was Sergei deprived of such a chance? Or does he not have the right to do so? Yes, I don't know the language, and may have violated server rules many times. And, when it was explained to me I tried not to allow it from now on, unless in the rush of battle or accidentally. If this server prioritizes the subjective opinion of the administration, just say so -- it's our decision, and I don't care what the majority of players think.

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