New Dawn Movement - Faction Information

[TheSauron]

The New Dawn, unlike many human factions, believes that the Nomads have a similar right to life and self-determination as humans do, and do not engage them on sight. However, the fact remains that most nomads engage in indiscriminate violence against humanity. The official stance of the New Dawn is to live and let live--do not engage Nomads unless they attack first, and exercise due caution around them.

How does ND reconcile their pursuit of an individual's rights and freedoms with neutrality towards a hivemind alien species that regularly enslaves human beings for use as forced labour and disposable troops? Last I checked House corps don't grind spent slaves down into thermal paste for their combat drones, yet somehow you consider them more antithetical to your movement's ideology. What gives?

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[Darius]

I don't actually have a whole lot to add besides maybe a small note on reconsidering the description of the Royalists (given the previous HQ was in their 'home' system) and potentially a -0.55 or somesuch with the Nomads instead down the line (as the current description clashes with the stated goals of casting away any one oppressor of the 'common man' -- noble and very just cause, but it doesn't do very well with also maintaining a neutral stance on the Nomads), unless that was intended to be a placeholder for the Vagrants instead?

Welcome back to Discovery, otherwise, Astra, and best of luck with the faction c:

[Sally]

How does ND reconcile their pursuit of an individual's rights and freedoms with neutrality towards a hivemind alien species that regularly enslaves human beings for use as forced labour and disposable troops? Last I checked House corps don't grind spent slaves down into thermal paste for their combat drones, yet somehow you consider them more antithetical to your movement's ideology. What gives?

Because a good chunk of their members are -in a painfully ironic twist- established nomad vagrant pawns? At least that's what I recall from back then, unless something changed, but if it did then yes, Nomads have no business being on neutral or green repsheet given they're by their very existence the material antithesis of individuality and freedom as defined by humans.

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[Goddess Astra]

The New Dawn, unlike many human factions, believes that the Nomads have a similar right to life and self-determination as humans do, and do not engage them on sight. However, the fact remains that most nomads engage in indiscriminate violence against humanity. The official stance of the New Dawn is to live and let live--do not engage Nomads unless they attack first, and exercise due caution around them.

How does ND reconcile their pursuit of an individual's rights and freedoms with neutrality towards a hivemind alien species that regularly enslaves human beings for use as forced labour and disposable troops? Last I checked House corps don't grind spent slaves down into thermal paste for their combat drones, yet somehow you consider them more antithetical to your movement's ideology. What gives?

They're listed as neutral, leaning toward unfriendly, because the movement as a whole doesn't know a lot about them, and isn't willing to label them as enemies when they have, historically, been less combative to the New Dawn than many human factions. The neutral attitude is meant to reflect that they're cautious about them, but don't want to escalate. The neutral stance is also partly meant to reflect that the New Dawn recognizes that it's difficult to communicate with them, and with a lack of ability to communicate their intentions, feels that it's unethical to engage them indiscriminately.

I don't actually have a whole lot to add besides maybe a small note on reconsidering the description of the Royalists (given the previous HQ was in their 'home' system) and potentially a -0.55 or somesuch with the Nomads instead down the line (as the current description clashes with the stated goals of casting away any one oppressor of the 'common man' -- noble and very just cause, but it doesn't do very well with also maintaining a neutral stance on the Nomads), unless that was intended to be a placeholder for the Vagrants instead?

Welcome back to Discovery, otherwise, Astra, and best of luck with the faction c:

Thank you for the welcome! You make a good point about the reputation, but I think that it still makes more sense for them to "technically" be neutral, to illustrate that there's no active shooting involved.

Because a good chunk of their members are -in a painfully ironic twist- established nomad vagrant pawns? At least that's what I recall from back then, unless something changed, but if it did then yes, Nomads have no business being on neutral or green repsheet given they're by their very existence the material antithesis of individuality and freedom as defined by humans.

There was exactly one infested character in the New Dawn, which was Kimiko Hawkins. Nobody else was ever infected or a pawn in any way.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the "antithesis of individuality and freedom" part. The current diplomacy is based on past roleplay, and is unlikely to change.

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[New Dawn Movement]

Reputation description toward nomads has been updated with an addition to help illustrate the diplomatic attitude.

[Chronicron]

Ah, now I remember who you were. You were a nice bunch to roleplay with casually, I do hope you plan on maintaining the same air of open roleplay.

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[Sally]

There was exactly one infested character in the New Dawn, which was Kimiko Hawkins. Nobody else was ever infected or a pawn in any way.

Noted, I recall many people considered ND back then as a nomad adjacent group given multiple hints but if you're claiming such then fair enough, I suppose the clues were bait more than anything else.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the "antithesis of individuality and freedom" part.

The way I see it there's two ways to approach the nomads being buddies, either New Dawn has been deceived by them into believing they're not seeking human extinction or submission or they've taken over the faction through pawns, you're free to disregard established lore and vanilla facts if you're so inclined and still portray them as some kind of benevolent entity or a victim nonetheless.

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"I suppose many people will continue moving towards careless computing, because there's a sucker born every minute." - RMS

[Goddess Astra]

Noted, I recall many people considered ND back then as a nomad adjacent group given multiple hints but if you're claiming such then fair enough, I suppose the clues were bait more than anything else.

Oh, I think that I remember the incident you were talking about. That particular player was kicked from the faction and no longer flies with us, if they're even on Disco at all.

The way I see it there's two ways to approach the nomads being buddies, either New Dawn has been deceived by them into believing they're not seeking human extinction or submission or they've taken over the faction through pawns, you're free to disregard established lore and vanilla facts if you're so inclined and still portray them as some kind of benevolent entity or a victim nonetheless.

I'm not trying to portray them either way in this case. We're simply ambivalent to them, rather than outright unfriendly.

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[Nodoka Hanamura]

Looking forward to seeing you guys in the Black.

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[Leo]

Welcome back! Looking forward to roleplaying with you all on SLRC or on my own Militant character.

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