//Now i have had a lengthy chat with Tinkerbell over the Junker situation, we seem to have a stalemate in our conversation so i will bring my idea here, i noticed that the Gaurds party now certainly holds 100% of the congress of Junkers and continues to hold that grip. OOC Over//
Comm Identification: Junker. Captain Luke Everett
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Now i have been a junker for my fair share of time, since i was a boy, born on rochester and raised in regular conditions, which are less than average around that area. I have seen the scrap fields, the workers, the pay which is degraded by the Capitalistic type owning of the stations, I realize that the Junkers have a Capitalistic background and history, however this needs to change, the prices and inflation are outrageous as you visit many of our bases across sirius, We require a person to take this long and lenghty road to equalize the many Junkers who are left impoverished and unable to afford new equipment, and with newly attributed Xeno attacks to our frontier in New york we are losing men every day, and recruitment from the local area is starting to dwindle.
I am about to propose the creation of a Workers/Peoples Party, either one will be subject to change in the next little bit with the discussion from the local junkers. We need to equalize opportunities, There are too many rich who leave the poor behind to fend for themselves. All in all, some might starve, Some might die of disease and some may die of attacks and some may make one long haul which their lives depend on, if they make it or not. This is the life of a junker at the time being, it is time to change and allow the unification of all workers under the Junker community, it is time to make a change and keep with it.
For too long has the Junker community been left in the dark, We need to unify the workers of all Stations around Sirius. Everybody who may join this cause, please leave your discussion here and contact myself over Private communication channels on this frequency.
Also, to the Creator of the Junkers Union which had dissolved a very little while ago, I am looking to contact yourself, you have to see the exact thing i am seeing for us to be proposing a "Union" for our workers under a Party like this.
//Please discuss over a, halfway Socialistic Workers Party and a Democratic Forefront in the Congress.//
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I and my family would be in full support for a "Junker's Union". I feel that as Junkers we have the responsibility to lift up our less fortunate brethren. This union should work hand in hand with the guards party to further Junker interest and influence. If money and resources is required my family would be willing to lend them in support of all Junkers.
I am at the moment indisposed at the Rochester Medical facility but I will endvour to be availible as soon as I can leave.
Ha! Never thought Sammy's private detective work would be useful, but the boy makes one hell of an encryptor.
On to business, then.
I was wondering when somethin' for the workers would spring up. I'm not gonna support this until I see if it actually sticks around, though. Dont wanna waste my time on somethin' that disbands within a month when I could be out showing what else my Comlector caj collasj;
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Damned beta versions. Buggier than a New London summer.
As for the Junkers Union... I believe it was Thorn who started that. Haven't heard from him in a while. You might have to send a message directly to him.
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(// PM Tenacity about the Junkers Union, I don't think he plays here anymore but he's still around the forums occasionally.)
I quote Captain Everett from our previous conversation:
Quote:"All Junkers are entitled to a life of luxury."
Hmmm...the "Junkers" who need a union and the "Junkers" who don't? So what makes these so different?
Nothing.
Any Junker who cannot afford a ship and needs one will have one provided free of cost to him or her. The Junker Congress will buy a starflier for any Junker who cannot afford one -- no questions asked.
In addition, Junker Congress members will gladly help patrol and escort Junkers to safe working areas (which we are already doing) and provide them with training and information on trade routes, mining and salvage areas and the like. If they have a shortfall due to loss, we'll help them back on their feet.
Also, all Junkers already are made available free basing and housing to any who wish to work on Junker stations--no questions asked.
Bornholm provides opportunities for willing Junkers to learn ship salvage and construction--as does Vieques Shipyard in Puerto Rico. Culebra Smelter provids manufacturing training and Yanagi works in tandem with ALG, the premiere salvage company of Sirius.
Arecibo Station is also the home of the Junker Library of Congress which is an educational and training center where all the accumulated history and discovery of Junkers is made available. Information from there has allowed us to develop our own ship designs including the successful CSV.
Junkers pay no fees or taxes, are no subjected to any legislation and have no ruling authority that can command them to obey.
You'll forgive me if I am missing the point. Is there one?
What it sounds like is that as opportunities appear, some Junkers are seeing the success of others and going, "Hmmm...I want some of that--but I want them to give me theirs instead of getting my own."
This is Xeno thinking. "We'll just cause mayhem and strife until people give us everything we want!" Is your proposal to demand payments "or else?". Have you appointed yourself "leader of all disaffected" and are going to decide how much to demand and then collect it for everyone else? Where are all of these poor outraged Junkers? None have approached us and asked for help. If they have, we would have helped them.
To be fair, "Captain" Everret is the only Junker I have heard such selfish prattle from...though apparently Adjudicator Culebra has seemed to have been infected by the same delusion now.
If a group of Junkers wish to go sit in corners and pout and whine and throw dirt in their heads, that is their prerogative. Those who wish to follow them can. We will move forward--as all Junkers have always done--and make our own future.
The only thing these gentlemen are lacking is will. They are leaders without a cause hoping to snare "followers". I would chose personal freedom over slavery to the idea that, "I am a victim."
ANY Junker in lack--for themselves or their family--may come to the Congress and ask for help and it will be given. We are just one group of Junkers amongst us all--but we are Junkers first.
I pity those who lose that in the hope for a life with no personal effort or responsibility required of them.
Adjudicator Culebra, we need to have words with one another.
I you wanna discuss about a faction ides you shouldn't put it into the role-playing section :wacko:
I see the Junkers as a big family with 'brother' and 'sisters' all over Sirius doing thier own buisness in general.
Perhaps some family branches come together and concentrate themselves to a very aspect like smuggling, slavery, pirate raid support, guard, arms dealer or whatever.
Unless there is a unique role-play idea like the good old Slaver Union i don't see the need for an common Junker faction.:no:
I suggest the junker players should start with a rally point here at the forums to summarize all the events ingame - like the good ol' Zoners do.:yes:
' Wrote:I you wanna discuss about a faction ides you shouldn't put it into the role-playing section :wacko:
I see the Junkers as a big family with 'brother' and 'sisters' all over Sirius doing thier own buisness in general.
Perhaps some family branches come together and concentrate themselves to a very aspect like smuggling, slavery, pirate raid support, guard, arms dealer or whatever.
Unless there is a unique role-play idea like the good old Slaver Union i don't see the need for an common Junker faction.:no:
I suggest the junker players should start with a rally point here at the forums to summarize all the events ingame - like the good ol' Zoners do.:yes:
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I completely agree. Players can get together and form groups but there is no need for a "Junker" faction--as how RM plays the actual "Rheinland Military".
Every Junker factions should be just that--one faction or group out of all Junkers.
Some have interpreted the "Junker Congress" as an attempt to rule all Junkers. It is in fact a military-political party with ambitions to protect and help all Junkers--not "rule" them and certainly not make itself the "official" Junker faction.
In my opinion, no one has a right to steal an in game faction to create their own (apologies to those who already did :rolleyes:...actually I understand the house police/military angle is different in many ways).
Now I must go kiss a Xeno and hug a Hogosha after having agreed with Old Steel. :yahoo:
Tinkerbell you are not seeing the point here, we are not taking from the rich and giving to the poor, this is a Chance for the well off, to assist the downtrodden members of the Junkers. This is not a free giveaway to anyone who would want a few millions, This is not a charity, we will be working together, equalizing prices, reducing inflation. Keeping the population with a strong sense of Patriotism and a Supportive ideal about their government, The set up here will do this, and from hard times i know personally how hard it is to make ends meet at rochester, i will be taking the initiative for a better Community, if you wish to have no part in this, please do not use your "words of wisdom" to shoot down a Workers Union, Because if you want to pay Junkers everywhere, a different price then what they deserve, for example there is low prices in Rochester, hardly enough to live with, and the prices at Bornholm are a fair price, But, if you want to let their families starve, have no health care and no compensation, let them be blown out of the sky by higher business counterparts.. then stick it up your aft countermeasure tube and i will carry this out on my own, without working hand in hand with the Guards party.
//tenacity i'll assume you might not want to engage in the creation of this party, so if at all possible i'd like to borrow a few things as i believe you already have shown me the way to your post..
' Wrote:Tinkerbell you are not seeing the point here, we are not taking from the rich and giving to the poor, this is a Chance for the well off, to assist the downtrodden members of the Junkers. This is not a free giveaway to anyone who would want a few millions, This is not a charity, we will be working together, equalizing prices, reducing inflation. Keeping the population with a strong sense of Patriotism and a Supportive ideal about their government, The set up here will do this, and from hard times i know personally how hard it is to make ends meet at rochester, i will be taking the initiative for a better Community, if you wish to have no part in this, please do not use your "words of wisdom" to shoot down a Workers Union, Because if you want to pay Junkers everywhere, a different price then what they deserve, for example there is low prices in Rochester, hardly enough to live with, and the prices at Bornholm are a fair price, But, if you want to let their families starve, have no health care and no compensation, let them be blown out of the sky by higher business counterparts.. then stick it up your aft countermeasure tube and i will carry this out on my own, without working hand in hand with the Guards party.
My Dear Captain,
By all means, begin the movement if you wish and if Junkers follow after and support it then they are free to choose that as well.
But be aware what you are doing is creating an us and a them...and doing this amongst your own Junker family. You are creating social classes by your action whereas presently all Junkers are equal to one another.
The only reason to organize such an effort is to obtain power to act on it. That then begs the question of, "What will you do with this power?"
By your stated intentions you have made it clear. You will use the power to force one group of Junkers to give wealth and possessions to your group of Junkers. So we have "two" Junkers now...yours and then the rest of us--the them who must pay you or you will use your power.
I do not see this as a positive thing. It plays on personal dissatisfaction and elevates it to social dissatisfaction and then tries to codify it as a right.
The Congress exists at its own expense to serve other Junkers. We impose no taxes or fees upon them and levy no laws that force them to do or give anything. All of our aims are to help and defend and to serve. Yours are to split by division and force one group of Junkers to bow to another group's will.
The Congress is concerned about Junker freedom and survival. If there is a war or Nomad outbreak, who will defend Junkers? If houses turn on us, who will defend us? If criminals strangle us, who will help us? Part of our urgency in working towards the creation of a Congress was to establish a coercion free means of Junker governance before a tyrant or dictator usurped such a role for his or her self.
While we do this work--all with volunteers free to come and go as they wish and to contribute as much or little as they are willing--you seek to create a divide and make demands.
Is there any other way to see this? if so, enlighten me. Of course we will help the poor. Send them to us.
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I just see this as an opportunity to expand business. The idea of the Junker Union was to be the legal face of the Junkers. In the congress we have smugglers and slavers not really legal. So I see the Union as an arm of the Congress that handles the legal business and scrap collecting. As far as giving Junkers a helping hand well I think its a good idea as long as they way it back with interest. I have a cousin who still owes me for a ship...
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