To me..."Halt" or "Stop" IS a demand...And in real life...If a pirate asked you to stop, and you kept on truckin' he will take it seriously and kill/harm/engage you in some way...Whoever that pirate may be.
If the trader is disrupted, and continues to cruise, its the same kind of disregard for your demand as: "Give me two mill!"
Where going though one of those stages here where we are all blabbering about whats RP and whats not...RP to me is a situation you would face in real life, skewered to said games story line, theme or objective, but with more serious consequences allowed only because its a game, and no serious harm comes to who ever is playing the game. I am lead to believe this is a game, making the following words relevant. Take a car/racing game for example. If you speed in a racing game, and you hear police sirens, the cops want you to pull over. If you don't, they call for backup and start shooting at you until you get away or they can arrest you or put you in a situation where you are disabled. Its the same thing here!
"Halt" is a demand, and if that demand is not heeded, the one being harassed/pirated should face what ever consequences that pirate sets for himself. Often resulting in death I would assume. A lot of things that are against the rules could be role played in a lot of ways, but people are afraid of abuse and loop-holes. I believe this isn't one of them. Because at the end of the day...Anything a pirate wants you to do, is a demand. Period.
So I am backing up SconStar on its revision. And everyone else should to.
Cheers:cool:
"Three o'clock is always too late or too early for anything you want to do."
Are you joking Xoria? Are you really joking here? Please tell me you're joking.
What point is there to be a Pirate in this mod anymore? If anything the only reason we're still here is to get lolpwnt by the lawful factions, and if we win, suddenly we're PvP whoring.
This is getting stupid, and you know it.
~Leo
You fear oblivion. Yet you forget. The universe remembers every atom of your being. Even dust hums your name in the dark. Roleplay is dead. Long live Powertraders and PvP I guess.
So the argument here is that pirates should be able to destroy any trader that does not halt when ordered.
I would think that this would remove the RP of the trader as his first instinct is to RUN.
If you can catch him, fine. Then make your demand and its business as usual.
This is how my pirate does things all the time.
Order to stop.
Fire a CD if ignored.
Made monetary demand.
Either get the money or blast him to 1% hull.
Ask again for money.
Either get the money or finish him off.
Why is this such a hard concept to understand. I have been doing this for almost a year now and never had a problem with it. Maybe its because I expect the trader to run and I am not so lazy to want the trader to come to me.
Keep this in mind, if its permitted for pirates to blast a trader to death for not halting then by the same rights any lawful can blast a smuggler to death without saying a word beyond Drop the contriband.
You want to complain about pirates having it hard. Imagine if you had to close to scan range and verify what he was carrying before even being able to order the target to stop. I have seen pirates make demands when the trader is not even in scan range. Pirates do not have it that rough here, I think its just that some pirates need to learn HOW to pirate and not expect people to just fall over then second that a pirate says boo.
' Wrote:Are you joking Xoria? Are you really joking here? Please tell me you're joking.
What point is there to be a Pirate in this mod anymore? If anything the only reason we're still here is to get lolpwnt by the lawful factions, and if we win, suddenly we're PvP whoring.
This is getting stupid, and you know it.
~Leo
Usually you would contribute something serious and useful. But I feel you pain. Along with many others.
I would like to hear the response from administrators, to see how they feel about the rule revision, and possible change for 4.85.
Because quite frankly...The rule is stupid and contradictory to the game, mod and servers objective...24/7 100% RP.
"Three o'clock is always too late or too early for anything you want to do."
' Wrote:Why is this such a hard concept to understand. I have been doing this for almost a year now and never had a problem with it. Maybe its because I expect the trader to run and I am not so lazy to want the trader to come to me.
I can see your point here.
In-fact it is exactly what I do. But the thing is the rules basically state "Halt" or "Stop" doesn't cut it as a demand. Where in everyone elses eyes its a perfectly valid one. Also the RP factors in here, and what RP stands for.
And the "Waiting to scan someone before you could ask them to stop" rule you stated, would not be very logical as per the games structure and the way its played. Besides, how would you police it.
The whole thing here is, the traders have all the rules in favor of them. They even get a waver with the whole PVP rule, stated previously in this post. Which I also find stupid. Now, if we can't stop the trader by cutting his run by killing him, or by telling him to stop verbally, we don't have many options. Often by the time we make our demand, by writing it in RP (Which often takes a long time...) they have made their escape. Players resort to "2 mill or die" And I have heard from many people..."That is ooRP, I refuse to pay unless its written in RP.
So by allowing us the right to "Halt" as a valid demand, the trader will have more incentive to pay, as they know their fate depends on whether they cruise or sit still...
Pirates have a purpose too. We ain't just a happy bunch of PvP whores.
EDIT: Sorry about the double post. I hit the wrong button:(
"Three o'clock is always too late or too early for anything you want to do."
' Wrote:Usually you would contribute something serious and useful.
Yes, you're right, normally, I would and I tried to, I really did on this one, but there is only so many "nerfs" a group can take before their impact matters anymore. Everyone has already said what they feel, and 3/4 of it I agree with completely.
Saying "Halt" is a demand, if I'm playing on my HG character I'm not going to say "Please stop sweetheart so you can pay me." No, screw that. I'm a pirate, I'm going to say "Stop your ship or you are dead." and then launch a CD. If they continue to flee, I'm going to bombard them with every weapon I have aboard my ship, torpedo or otherwise. Sanction me if I want, but I'm within the rule bounds. If you want us to say "Tax, 2 million" instead, I will, but then they don't understand they have to halt. So then I'm chasing a trader across Chugoku because he doesn't understand he has to stop and pay the tax.
See where this has a conflict of interest?
Not only that, someone else said the same thing about the rules about Cruisers and Battle Cruisers. The rules are really vague in parts, and I think a total overhaul on them needs to be done, but hey, I'm not an admin so I can't really tell anyone to do that.
~Leo
P.S. I figured my first post wasn't really diserving of a senior member of the server, so I took a step back and attempted one more time.
You fear oblivion. Yet you forget. The universe remembers every atom of your being. Even dust hums your name in the dark. Roleplay is dead. Long live Powertraders and PvP I guess.
I agree that "Stop", "Halt", ..... is an order given to you, just like "stop, pay a mil, drop some cargo,....", but.....
...not in system chat
Recently, i was flying with my trader, run into some npc's that disrupted trade lane... they started to fire at me... suddenly, "drop your cargo" msg showed in SYSTEM chat.... for who is that msg? npc's still shooting at me... "drop your cargo or die".. another msg in SYSTEM chat... poor that guy that is attacked by a pirate... i see only bunch of npc's around me... then, the trade line opens, i docked, but lane was disrupted again.... i got stucked in it.... cannot move, shoot, nothing... then, i noticed my shield is droping at high speed...poof...no shields....i think to myself some nasty npc's.... repair....again shields down, then hull down... repair...nothing....boooom....destroyed...by SOME PIRATE?!? he didn't ask nothing FROM ME.....
no demands should be asked via system chat... only by direct, private channels....or at least with name of the ship in demanding msg.
' Wrote:I agree that "Stop", "Halt", ..... is an order given to you, just like "stop, pay a mil, drop some cargo,....", but.....
...not in system chat
Recently, i was flying with my trader, run into some npc's that disrupted trade lane... they started to fire at me... suddenly, "drop your cargo" msg showed in SYSTEM chat.... for who is that msg? npc's still shooting at me... "drop your cargo or die".. another msg in SYSTEM chat... poor that guy that is attacked by a pirate... i see only bunch of npc's around me... then, the trade line opens, i docked, but lane was disrupted again.... i got stucked in it.... cannot move, shoot, nothing... then, i noticed my shield is droping at high speed...poof...no shields....i think to myself some nasty npc's.... repair....again shields down, then hull down... repair...nothing....boooom....destroyed...by SOME PIRATE?!? he didn't ask nothing FROM ME.....
no demands should be asked via system chat... only by direct, private channels....or at least with name of the ship in demanding msg.
well look around. Dont be so dead locked on the lane ahead. they have turret view and contact list. If your lane was dirupted twice it good indication that was you he was talking to.
You could then say "Wait!!!" "I'll pay!!!" We can have all these demands placed on pirates alone. Traders may have to use thier scanners and turret view from time to time. It does take some time for a lane to go back up after its knocked out. Look around next time.
There will never be "peace" between pirates and traders, it's like argue about who shoots first. Traders wants to beat pirates with rules, and pirates with rp. Pirates want to enjoy in their role as a pirate, and some rules stand in their way...they are not pirates then, they just follow rules of legal pirating. :( :nono: And traders... well, their dream is to nuke off some pirate, and just earn some money or trade.
' Wrote:well look around. Dont be so dead locked on the lane ahead. they have turret view and contact list. If your lane was dirupted twice it good indication that was you he was talking to.
You could then say "Wait!!!" "I'll pay!!!" We can have all these demands placed on pirates alone. Traders may have to use thier scanners and turret view from time to time. It does take some time for a lane to go back up after its knocked out. Look around next time.
Imagine that every ship in one system is saying "Stop shooting, i'll pay!". To whom? There should be name of the player in demanding msg, or contact directly. You don't want to shout through whole system that you're pirating a ship, so that every police or navy ship can hear you. IRL, it would be normal to contact the ship itself. But, ofc, that's too much for "poor" pirate to do.....
I think, with next "pirate" response, this cycle will continue without a goal on horizont....and then, all from the beginning.....
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