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Offline tfmachad
09-11-2008, 11:34 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-11-2008, 11:47 PM by gronath.)
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' Wrote:...

But ehh, can somebody enlighten me as to what this DRM stuff is with the 3 installation business? Are people saying that they like wiping their harddrive and they're disappointed that after three times it doesn't work? Although I agree that it should keep working (EA commies... Bleeding us dry) How could you re-vamp your computer that many times so quickly?
Apart from what everyone has said, just to enforce the notion...

The DRM "rootkit" tactics puts a software running hidden on your system. You have no control over it and it runs every time your computer is on.

The first issue with it is one of trust. You have to trust that little software isn't doing anything besides what the company declares it is supposed to do. This one issue is somewhat irrelevant, because your main program (the game) is also capable of doing things it wasn't supposed to be doing. So, if you trust your game not to be naughty, there's little to none reason to trust its counterparts are doing anything strange. But then again, they do have a lot of free time on their hands.

The second issue is one of imposition. "You want to play our game, you infect your computer with our little virus. Ah, and by the way, we consider you're not really buying the game, we're kinda leasing it to you, ok?" Install enough games on your computer and you'll have a whole community of corporative viruses taking up resources and capable of observing and reporting back on what you do ("Now, c'mon, those are only usage statistics, okay? It's all automated, don't worry"). Also, if EA bankrupts a couple of years from now and you've wasted all your three installs, who are you going to call if you want to play the game you've paid for in the first place?

I don't agree with Marburg in one point. If you agree to the terms, you're stating that you're okay with what's being proposed by your vendor, as absurd and silly as it may sound. You should "voice" your real opinion over what's being proposed by not supporting it in any way, even if that just means not buying the game at all.

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' Wrote:Have a look at this.
Start from the bottom.

Its a conversation of Me and a customer service rep.

Edit: Removed some personal info from that txt file.
I remember the good old days, when you bought a game and just played it... I take it's easier and quicker to buy a gun and get to use it in the US these days, eh?

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Offline chovynz
09-12-2008, 01:22 AM,
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Well now...
EA customer service has just told me to contact their legal department.
For the answers to my questions.

So I am.
Doubt it's going to achieve much though.

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Offline EverBlue
09-12-2008, 05:27 AM,
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That's the thing people don't understand about the whole DRM thing.
If you uninstall the game WHILE CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET, you get one of those installs back.
This is making it so that your version of Spore can ONLY BE INSTALLED ON 3 SYSTEMS AT ONCE.

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Offline chovynz
09-12-2008, 06:07 AM,
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I'm interested in seeing that.
Can you point me to a link?
Because as far as I understand, and according to EA,
An OS install is counted as a "new computer install."

So is a 'significant hardware' change.
I'm guessing you didnt read my txt file?

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Offline Blodo
09-12-2008, 08:43 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-12-2008, 08:44 AM by Blodo.)
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I was going to buy it, but the DRM stuff means none of that. I'm going to download it instead so as to not deal with the ridiculous copy protection. EA is going to be doing the same thing to Red Alert 3, which I also refuse to buy as such. EA won't be getting much cash out of me in the nearest future if they continue like this. I won't buy a CD that expires, end of.

And yes each OS reinstall makes the DRM activate your install again, thus depleting your number of installs left.
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Offline me_b_kevin
09-12-2008, 01:12 PM,
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i just don't like having something running in the background eating up my computer's resources. i'm not able to buy an high end PC so i have very little resources to spare on my bargin PC

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Offline Panzer
09-12-2008, 01:34 PM,
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I think the best way of preventing piracy is paradoxially - not doing anything. What's more - making it easier! Besides... The sheer size of modern games - ca. 4.5GB makes DL-ing for poorer fellaz... impractical.

Look at what Microsoft is doing - They don't make h4xing Windows ridiculously hard, because they know, that the more people actually have it - the more income MS may reap in the future from not-so-big things, that work with Windows only.

An as per that registartion thingie... Why do I HAVE to own an internet connection in order to play something I alreay paid for? Does the deal oblige me to sign a deal with an ISP so that I can play? What if I don't have an internet connection, read about Spore in a magazine and ordered it by CLASSIC post? Now I know, that my comp is littered with little bugs, that suck info outta it. I've got spywreckers, sure I have! They never see anything and yet - I get mailed daily by weapons/military surplus shops, private colleges, langauge schools... As if they knew what kind of a military freak/how old I was. And trust me - Disco, CR forums and a Polish Hearts of Iron board are the ONLY places aside fom my mailbox, where I actually typed in my name and such.

Therefore - The moment "legal" enterpreneurs quit using their "legal" marketing methods, I'll start BUYING their products.

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Offline Blodo
09-12-2008, 03:11 PM,
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Authenticating CDkeys for people who want to play multiplayer is all that is needed. Anything beyond that, and the devs are ruining the game experience for those who legitimately buy the game, while not impeding game crackers one bit. In the end no matter how good the protection, it is just a matter of time until it is cracked and distributed on the internet.

Here's an idea for devs: make games that are good, and people will buy them. Protection won't help you at all in the end.
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Offline Spacewolf
09-12-2008, 05:35 PM,
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i havent had any problems with secuRom on this or DOW this version on SPORE is supposed to be bad but yet ive had no problems with it, and most people dont seem to be having problems with it either looking at the Gamespot forums its just people stirring it up to be some sort of doomsday weapon. The Games fun as well but its not really super ground breaking but it will keep me entertained for a while, some stages are also quite addictive
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Offline tfmachad
09-12-2008, 06:58 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-12-2008, 06:58 PM by gronath.)
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' Wrote:...and most people dont seem to be having problems with it either looking at the Gamespot forums its just people stirring it up to be some sort of doomsday weapon.
...
Know how to cook a living frog?

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