Pirate ID

[Curios]

I doubt Corsairs will give you any of their stuff, same goes for OC

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[Mímir]

I agree with OP. Needs to be balance of some sort no?

I totally agree, but I think the nerf should be set at 75% for lawfuls and unlawfuls alike. We are slowly removing the incentives to be anything but mercs/freelancers/indie pirates with an unlimited ZOI, and that is a shame.


@AD:

Indy pirates are NOT buddy-buddy with the local nay-do-wellers. They are competitors and will have a very tough time finding a proper base to maintain their ships.

Why does it have to be so black and white? For some reason there is a desire to reduce the scope of the disco-world in the most mind-boggling generalizing fashion, and always with the clear aim of enforcing a pre-defined biased set of views.

Although indie pirates "on paper" are competitors to faction pirates, quite often they serve as cannon fodder or used as decoys so the faction pirates can make a getaway, and can be valuable tools in many different ways, just like a freelancer can be a valuable tool to GMG or IMG etc. A freelancer can also get a GMG bomber and use it to escort Samura ships - I guess that wouldn't make GMG all warm and fuzzy either?

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[Vredes]

Although indie pirates "on paper" are competitors to faction pirates, quite often they serve as cannon fodder or used as decoys so the faction pirates can make a getaway, and can be valuable tools in many different ways, just like a freelancer can be a valuable tool to GMG or IMG etc. A freelancer can also get a GMG bomber and use it to escort Samura ships - I guess that wouldn't make GMG all warm and fuzzy either?

A little bit off topic.

The whole idea is to give indie pirates atleast 1 or 2 gunboats to use and since rogue/molly tech is written as PIRATE and dont see a problem for it to be used by all pirates.

[Vulkhard Muller]

Freelancers don't have a carte blanche to attack any lawful target they so choose. The Pirate ID does. It's a matter of more freedom of action versus a bigger restriction in ship tech. Pirates have plenty of choices for their gunboats. They just need to either choose to take the proper ID with that gunboat, or take a hit in efficiency...
Indy pirates are NOT buddy-buddy with the local nay-do-wellers. They are competitors and will have a very tough time finding a proper base to maintain their ships. Which means either Junker bases, Zoner bases (the ones that don't care too much about pirates using their base as a staging area) or Freelancer bases. This is also the reason why the indy pirate ID is rephacked hostile to a few unlawful factions who requested it.

[Edit] As for getting attacked with your own tech - that's been happening for ages considering tech grants could not be revoked. The new method of tech "grants" just validates it as being allowed. Suppose it's yet another reason to try and bring most ships to different shaped but functionally identical designs.

then why not give Inde Pirates access to Junker Tech? i mean of corse Not the salvager i mean unless they got permission from the junkers which i doubt wont happen any time soon

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[Daedric]

Your an unaffiliated criminal. None of the lawful organizations like you. Majority of the criminal organizations don't like you because your competition. The few people who don't mind your presence aren't going to hand you their technology because it then creates problems for them when you commit crimes using said technology.

Looking at the Tech Chart for the pirate ID, you've plenty of choice. Plenty. More than a few factions from the looks of it.

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[Vredes]

A little bit off topic.

The whole idea is to give indie pirates atleast 1 or 2 gunboats to use and since rogue/molly tech is written as PIRATE and dont see a problem for it to be used by all pirates.

I will repeat myself... the Molly/Rogue ships are supposed to be generic pirate.

[ryoken]

then why not give Inde Pirates access to Junker Tech? i mean of corse Not the salvager i mean unless they got permission from the junkers which i doubt wont happen any time soon

No one gets access to junker ships, as they are supposed to be built by junkers, and handed down through family and what not. Plus junkers are quasi lawful so they would never let a pirate that is Totally unlawful use their gear. Also it would not be totally up to admins/devs, but also the Congress.
Also IMO since everyone keeps shoulting down junkers get no new/good ships, or their own GBs because of their almost all of sirius ZOI. Then Pirates sure as hell should not as they have an even bigger ZOI then junkers do.
1 more thing. Most junkers actually hate Pirates as they also rob junker ships, and then go land on junker bases with half the military chasing them. When pirates stop being A-holes who do what ever they want, when they want, and claim they are not pirates when ever a lawful shows up. Maybe rest of server may respect them more, and give them more.

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[Champ]

I will repeat myself... the Molly/Rogue ships are supposed to be generic pirate.

No, they're listed as that so people (perhaps yourself?) don't get all confused when a Molly is flying a "Rogue Gunboat" like they used to.

Otherwise, where the hell do generic pirate ships get manufactured? At the generic pirate headquarters next to the generic pirate spaceship dealership? Who pays for their construction?

That's right, the Rogues and the Mollys. And if it were any other group, then hey presto, that's not an independent pirate! It's a new group of pirates that are not independent in the slightest.

Edit: It should be noted the above post is attempted in a humorous style, not a nasty one. I really liked the idea of some shift independent pirate spaceship dealer selling lemons.

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[Veygaar]

Your an unaffiliated criminal. None of the lawful organizations like you. Majority of the criminal organizations don't like you because your competition. The few people who don't mind your presence aren't going to hand you their technology because it then creates problems for them when you commit crimes using said technology.

Thanks for choosing my RP for me;)Man I had no idea you know so well how all the RP and affiliation status of Indy Pirate players is. You must be a super genius to know all their INDIVIDUAL RP works.
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And they say Pirate ID had to much "Freedom" *cough* AD *cough*
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If we use this line of thinking, all Mercs are IMG/GMG/Zoner friendly right? They are unaffiliated Mercs. All of the lawful organizations like them right? The Majority of the lawful organizations love you, even if you're presenting them with competition cause you're hunting them right? The few people who don't mind them are going to hand the mercs their technology because it NEVER creates problems for them when the mercs commit crimes using said technology right?

(see what I did there?)
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My point in all this: If Mercs, who's RP is just as undefined as Indy Pirates, are going to get 3 90% cells to lawful organizations, then pirates should get the same to 3 unlawful organizations.

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[Daedric]

Thanks for choosing my RP for me;)Man I had no idea you know so well how all the RP and affiliation status of Indy Pirate players is. You must be a super genius to know all their INDIVIDUAL RP works.

God like knowledge! Not super genius. :P:P

Problem is, the Pirate ID has to be balanced for anyone who uses it. If we allowed everyone's individual role play to influence it? Well the pirate ID would have 90% cells to everything and everyone as there is a large number of people using the ID. Not much balance in that fashion.

Course, this can be solved by official status and getting a PF ID. Don't need to tell me neither, I know you tried. Rather still like to know why the denial. We had the darn Bretonian Bucs back in the day.

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