I may have been here for a short time, but i agree(from what i see and hear, and what i see in game) it's like people want to RP, but thier version of RP doesn't quite fit the established server rules for rules. . .so they skirt around it, and sneak by just barely(case in point. peeps who use 1 word as engagement que's. or even better yet will hit thier engagement macro, right as they're tryin to fill ya full of lead) then there's the "special RP"(pls guys no more pm's) either they want to roleplay with a diff. set of quiks, or they want to "expand" on current ideas of factions.(personally if your the strong, silent type, pls say something in system like"*makes a sour grimace as he hears police vessle orderin him to stop for routine search" or something. we have too many people who will not talk to anyone and play this mmo as if it were SP, so it's kinda hard to tell if your rp'n no responce. or just not gonna talk to anyone.
and how bloody hard is it to do this " /L greetings pilot" i dunno, mayby my ideas are flawed
' Wrote:None of this is really new. I've seen it since I was first here a year ago. There may be more of it, but that's likely because we have more people from other defunct PvP servers who don't know how to operate here. But that's only one side of problem.
Another side is the growing number of "veterans" around here who view this environment as their own personal venue for acting out a melodrama based around their character, instead of playing a role that can actually generate roleplaying from other people.
This isn't an "acting" server or a "character development" server, or a "creative writing" server. It is a roleplaying server.
In a roleplaying environment your character funtions in a role that others can quickly and easily understand and react to, not a character that requires an hour of reading through fiction to understand. You can break it down to the simple roleplaying that little kids do of cops and robbers, although in Freelancer the faction affiliations make it far more complicated and interesting.
If people want to write endless and complicated stories (and they are correctly called stories, not RP or roleplays; roleplay is a verb, not a noun, so you can't write one), then knock yourself out. But when they make it necessary for the rest of us to do so in order to interact with them on the server, that is simply selfish and abusive of other people's time. It is also totally confusing to new players.
I can't even count the number of times I've seen people first create a character, and then start posting forum topics asking what faction that character should belong to, or what ship they should fly, etc. Whatever that is, it isn't roleplaying. Roleplaying activities are driven by the role that the character plays, not by obscure pseudo-psychological and/or historically driven events that only the player owning the character is aware of when he encounters anyone else.
When someone sees you on the server, they see a Junker, or a Police or whatever, they don't see a neurotic, revenge-driven, mother-abandoned, Liberty Rogue who actually hates Outcasts and cardamine because an Outcast hopped up on Cardamine crashed into the transport his sister was on killing her in a fiery inferno and causing said LR to go on a Sirius wide crusade against his faction's ally. [Insert the snarky comments of your choice about poor punctuation and grammer] On the server people just think, "What's wrong with that fool? Doesn't he know the Rogues and Outcasts are allies?" because perhaps 1% of the server population even knows your story exists, and even less would remember any of it if they encountered you.
But you're right about one thing, Baconsoda : nothing we write here really matters, because the ones who need to learn from it aren't reading it (and 9 out of 10 who will read what I wrote won't understand it), and actually I say kudos to them for not reading this stuff. The only thing that might kill Disco is the endless forum-obsession that too many people have, and it isn't the Roleplaying forum that people are obsessed with. It's the obsession with arguing, ego-stroking, showing off, and outcompeting each other in who can post the stupidest flood topic that is really detracting from what could be a rather vibrant roleplaying environment. But then, I doubt even 10% of the population of this server is here for roleplaying anyway. It's blatantly apparent that the self-proclaimed "RP-lovers" aren't. Most can't even define the term, as the responses to this post are about to demonstrate.
The way I look at it is, that this server is an evolving thing, and it has not come close to reaching maturity yet. Along the way there are growing pains, and old ways have to be shed in order for newer, better ways to fulfill their potential. All in all, I don't see new players as so much of the problem as the older players who think they know it all and refuse to adapt to a changing environment because they'd rather protect their turf than chart the unknown. Fortunately for me, I prefer to learn and adapt. Unfortunately for them, I've got my hands on a sickle and harvest time is coming.
And Spear, it's been far too long since you missile spammed me. I'm going hunting for you old buddy. I could use a good shalaking that I'd actually enjoy and could learn from.
So when I ask someone what their faction tag means in roleplay, do I deserve a roleplay response, not "//read forumz" ?
When I use a Raven's Talon with Red Hessian weaponry and a Freelancer ID, with Red Hessian Tag, am I really a more legitimate roleplayer than these prolific writers, heirs to Tolstoy, perhaps, since I can explain what I do in a sentence and it makes sense?
When I state that what is written in the forums does not apply ingame, am I truly right?
Am I really a better player for attacking with a few words, as my role would suggest, rather than sit at my computer for hours typing stories no one gives a flying f*ck about?
So we should play glorified cops and robbers, while reserving the "unique" throne for players like the Phantoms and Mon'Star?
Sorry, but you said it yourself: This server is an evolving thing. I know for a fact that you played devil's advocate more than once in the "OoRP ships" thread. Thankfully, the special RP forum still squeaked through the fire and flames and has stood to work well enough.
The fact is, imagination is RP. RP is imagination. We have a pretty cool and interesting universe, sure, but why does it have to end there? Why do we have to abide by some invisible mold as to what we should be? Why should we have to worry about each and every person understanding our RP? How many times hve players gone "What the heck! I just got killed by some maniac in an OC dessie. He wasn't an OC, what the hell was he?"? Mon'Star was here first, so he fits the mold of acceptable confusion? First come first serve?
I don't think so.
Some people are happy with what Vanilla gives. That's fine, but those who aren't have just as much say and rights as anyone else. Granted, if someone asks you to explain yourself through PM ingame, you should at least give them an overview, instead of doing this "read teh forumz" thing.
(If I misunderstood you, apologies. Long post. >_>)
' Wrote:None of this is really new. I've seen it since I was first here a year ago. There may be more of it, but that's likely because we have more people from other defunct PvP servers who don't know how to operate here. But that's only one side of problem.
Another side is the growing number of "veterans" around here who view this environment as their own personal venue for acting out a melodrama based around their character, instead of playing a role that can actually generate roleplaying from other people.
This isn't an "acting" server or a "character development" server, or a "creative writing" server. It is a roleplaying server.
In a roleplaying environment your character funtions in a role that others can quickly and easily understand and react to, not a character that requires an hour of reading through fiction to understand. You can break it down to the simple roleplaying that little kids do of cops and robbers, although in Freelancer the faction affiliations make it far more complicated and interesting.
If people want to write endless and complicated stories (and they are correctly called stories, not RP or roleplays; roleplay is a verb, not a noun, so you can't write one), then knock yourself out. But when they make it necessary for the rest of us to do so in order to interact with them on the server, that is simply selfish and abusive of other people's time. It is also totally confusing to new players.
I can't even count the number of times I've seen people first create a character, and then start posting forum topics asking what faction that character should belong to, or what ship they should fly, etc. Whatever that is, it isn't roleplaying. Roleplaying activities are driven by the role that the character plays, not by obscure pseudo-psychological and/or historically driven events that only the player owning the character is aware of when he encounters anyone else.
When someone sees you on the server, they see a Junker, or a Police or whatever, they don't see a neurotic, revenge-driven, mother-abandoned, Liberty Rogue who actually hates Outcasts and cardamine because an Outcast hopped up on Cardamine crashed into the transport his sister was on killing her in a fiery inferno and causing said LR to go on a Sirius wide crusade against his faction's ally. [Insert the snarky comments of your choice about poor punctuation and grammer] On the server people just think, "What's wrong with that fool? Doesn't he know the Rogues and Outcasts are allies?" because perhaps 1% of the server population even knows your story exists, and even less would remember any of it if they encountered you.
But you're right about one thing, Baconsoda : nothing we write here really matters, because the ones who need to learn from it aren't reading it (and 9 out of 10 who will read what I wrote won't understand it), and actually I say kudos to them for not reading this stuff. The only thing that might kill Disco is the endless forum-obsession that too many people have, and it isn't the Roleplaying forum that people are obsessed with. It's the obsession with arguing, ego-stroking, showing off, and outcompeting each other in who can post the stupidest flood topic that is really detracting from what could be a rather vibrant roleplaying environment. But then, I doubt even 10% of the population of this server is here for roleplaying anyway. It's blatantly apparent that the self-proclaimed "RP-lovers" aren't. Most can't even define the term, as the responses to this post are about to demonstrate.
The way I look at it is, that this server is an evolving thing, and it has not come close to reaching maturity yet. Along the way there are growing pains, and old ways have to be shed in order for newer, better ways to fulfill their potential. All in all, I don't see new players as so much of the problem as the older players who think they know it all and refuse to adapt to a changing environment because they'd rather protect their turf than chart the unknown. Fortunately for me, I prefer to learn and adapt. Unfortunately for them, I've got my hands on a sickle and harvest time is coming.
And Spear, it's been far too long since you missile spammed me. I'm going hunting for you old buddy. I could use a good shalaking that I'd actually enjoy and could learn from.
i don't know who you are. . . . but i LIKE you. Preach on brother(or sister)
to all those who keep sending me pm's about i need to study your faction and what not. . . . .
please send them to Xoria
' Wrote:So we should play glorified cops and robbers, while reserving the "unique" throne for players like the Phantoms and Mon'Star?
Sorry, but you said it yourself: This server is an evolving thing. I know for a fact that you played devil's advocate more than once in the "OoRP ships" thread. Thankfully, the special RP forum still squeaked through the fire and flames and has stood to work well enough.
The fact is, imagination is RP. RP is imagination. We have a pretty cool and interesting universe, sure, but why does it have to end there? Why do we have to abide by some invisible mold as to what we should be? Why should we have to worry about each and every person understanding our RP? How many times hve players gone "What the heck! I just got killed by some maniac in an OC dessie. He wasn't an OC, what the hell was he?"? Mon'Star was here first, so he fits the mold of acceptable confusion? First come first serve?
I don't think so.
Some people are happy with what Vanilla gives. That's fine, but those who aren't have just as much say and rights as anyone else. Granted, if someone asks you to explain yourself through PM ingame, you should at least give them an overview, instead of doing this "read teh forumz" thing.
(If I misunderstood you, apologies. Long post. >_>)
in a perfect world you would be correct. but let me ask you this. if nobody read your bio's and stories and what not, would they be able to understand what your doing RP wise on the server.
my first char, had a story bout why he hated the liberty rouges. so i took it upon myself to do missions that were against liberty rouges and roamed thier hideouts till I killed over a 1000 liberty rouges. after that i evaluated my faction standings, and the ones who were green to me, i never did anything to change that, and the ones who were red to me were only killed if they attacked me first. now with this nobody needs to read the bio, cause my RP doesn't really affect you(unless your a LR, in which case pvp rules entailed, but then again your a pirate, so you should expect lawfuls wantin to kill you, right?)
in a perfect world, the RP and PvP would be like young lovers embraced in passionate. . . well you get the idea. here it seams like they're a married couple who realized 10 years ago that they hate each other.
I agree. But if the Role play and maturity is there to back the blood lust up, its fine by me. Its balance I want to see.
' Wrote:This isn't an "acting" server or a "character development" server, or a "creative writing" server. It is a roleplaying server.
Acting is role-playing, character development happens on the forums to back the character up and creative writing is what keeps us interested in-game and on the forums. Balance is key and is what is missing.
Once again my friends. We are forgetting this happens every year. particularly when the holidays come along, bored little 12 year old children download the mod they read about in their PC magazine log on and want to trade, make loads of cash and blow **** up. Once the holidays are done with, the role-play content and quality of the server will become a common thing again. And 100 mill says that next year another so called Discovery "veteran" that joins at the beginning of next year, will post the same thing at the end of next year, and the cycle will begin again.
' Wrote:Personally ... I'm tired of seeing //GF in system chat when people battle to the death.
The first post mentioned something about respect for the player, the players role play and the players skills in a Player versus player fight. This is a public acknowledgment of respect for their hard work into winning the battle, and their role-play in general. I have absolutely no problem with this at all, its this I hate:
Winner: //GF Looser: //OMG I ran out of missles if i had 1 more missle i wud hve pwnd u LOL
And no matter how much we try, not matter how many times we post sanction reports or tell others not to do it. Its still going to happen. All we have to do is learn to ignore the idiots that ruin it for the real players.
$0.13
"Three o'clock is always too late or too early for anything you want to do."
Quote:if nobody read your bio's and stories and what not, would they be able to understand what your doing RP wise on the server.
Maybe, maybe not. That's not the point.
If your unique character is within server rule, it's your own prerogative to RP him or her as you like.
You can't, however, complain when people don't understand your RP if you choose to go out of the ordinary in the first place. Can't have your cake and have it too, I suppose.
I don't mind the missiles so much as the lack of interaction.
I don't care what the other players back story is, but on a server where the point is playing a role in a universe, at least interact once in a while.
Look I myself barely read most of the stories written on the forums, and I don't write them often myself, more power to whoever does, but ingame, i wouldn't mind a tiny bit of knowledge on what the different player factions are from various random traders and pirates.
As for 'rp' I try to keep mine simple. I can get it boiled down in about two in game messages.
btw, i agree with Xoria's bit about people asking what faction a certain character should belong to.
Its the other way around people, pick the faction or the role then diddle around with details. here to have fun and play pretend.
Orin has got point though, it shouldn't just be people that have been here for ages that get freedom to have their own special chars. If that was the case I would still have Olsav riding around in a Wrath with junker guns shooting down corporate traders.
But to have a special char, i have noticed that people dont take it seriously unless there are like 5 pages of back story. I remember applying for mine way back when, was just a paragraph, got the point across, its how what someone does with it as opposed to the justification.
I like to let my ingame actions do the talking.
PS: also why you have to hate on the flood topics Xoria? flood is there for mindless fun. SPAMSPAMSPAM
RAHF.Lt.Karol.Olsav
fmr Lord Solar Admiral of the Helghast, fmr.RAHF-Olsav-[Cpt], fmr. {Helghast}(LSA-vhf)~Olsav, fmr.{Helghast}(LSA)~Olsav, aboard HCS. Kesselring
' Wrote:Edit: @ Baltar: Noted, was just making a small joke regarding our past lol!
Anyway Spear, I dislike your loadout. (I think missiles and mines are cheap.)
' Wrote:None of this is really new. I've seen it since I was first here a year ago. There may be more of it, but that's likely because we have more people from other defunct PvP servers who don't know how to operate here. But that's only one side of problem.
Another side is the growing number of "veterans" around here who view this environment as their own personal venue for acting out a melodrama based around their character, instead of playing a role that can actually generate roleplaying from other people.
This isn't an "acting" server or a "character development" server, or a "creative writing" server. It is a roleplaying server.
In a roleplaying environment your character funtions in a role that others can quickly and easily understand and react to, not a character that requires an hour of reading through fiction to understand. You can break it down to the simple roleplaying that little kids do of cops and robbers, although in Freelancer the faction affiliations make it far more complicated and interesting.
If people want to write endless and complicated stories (and they are correctly called stories, not RP or roleplays; roleplay is a verb, not a noun, so you can't write one), then knock yourself out. But when they make it necessary for the rest of us to do so in order to interact with them on the server, that is simply selfish and abusive of other people's time. It is also totally confusing to new players.
I can't even count the number of times I've seen people first create a character, and then start posting forum topics asking what faction that character should belong to, or what ship they should fly, etc. Whatever that is, it isn't roleplaying. Roleplaying activities are driven by the role that the character plays, not by obscure pseudo-psychological and/or historically driven events that only the player owning the character is aware of when he encounters anyone else.
When someone sees you on the server, they see a Junker, or a Police or whatever, they don't see a neurotic, revenge-driven, mother-abandoned, Liberty Rogue who actually hates Outcasts and cardamine because an Outcast hopped up on Cardamine crashed into the transport his sister was on killing her in a fiery inferno and causing said LR to go on a Sirius wide crusade against his faction's ally. [Insert the snarky comments of your choice about poor punctuation and grammer] On the server people just think, "What's wrong with that fool? Doesn't he know the Rogues and Outcasts are allies?" because perhaps 1% of the server population even knows your story exists, and even less would remember any of it if they encountered you.
But you're right about one thing, Baconsoda : nothing we write here really matters, because the ones who need to learn from it aren't reading it (and 9 out of 10 who will read what I wrote won't understand it), and actually I say kudos to them for not reading this stuff. The only thing that might kill Disco is the endless forum-obsession that too many people have, and it isn't the Roleplaying forum that people are obsessed with. It's the obsession with arguing, ego-stroking, showing off, and outcompeting each other in who can post the stupidest flood topic that is really detracting from what could be a rather vibrant roleplaying environment. But then, I doubt even 10% of the population of this server is here for roleplaying anyway. It's blatantly apparent that the self-proclaimed "RP-lovers" aren't. Most can't even define the term, as the responses to this post are about to demonstrate.
The way I look at it is, that this server is an evolving thing, and it has not come close to reaching maturity yet. Along the way there are growing pains, and old ways have to be shed in order for newer, better ways to fulfill their potential. All in all, I don't see new players as so much of the problem as the older players who think they know it all and refuse to adapt to a changing environment because they'd rather protect their turf than chart the unknown. Fortunately for me, I prefer to learn and adapt. Unfortunately for them, I've got my hands on a sickle and harvest time is coming.
And Spear, it's been far too long since you missile spammed me. I'm going hunting for you old buddy. I could use a good shalaking that I'd actually enjoy and could learn from.
Noted.
@ Thread: I would say "Welcome to Discovery", but unfortunately 13Centkiller seems to have some sort of positronic shielding around the phrase. Anyway, I have made an effort to change some of the things Xoria has talked about, but I tire.
The game as in "in game" is the heart of the Role Play server of course.
But at least since i have been here i have always seen Discovery as a dual entity; That is the game itself, and its forums. Your character should be able to stand up more or less without an epic novel on the forum to back it up, but that being said, we know thats not the case with some characters hence there is a "special RP section", there are also faction background posts, faction stories etc etc...
Granted, some people are just not going to know your backstory - which is fine, do you know everyone's back story you meet in life? Nope.
But, if you have taken the time to write a story about your character, then that other person has the option of knowing more - they don't have to excersize that, but its there.
For me - the writing i have done for my characters on the forums has given them depth, which then adds to the character in game - you might seem my character doing something in game, going somewhere and ask "why are you doing that" - now, if you were concerned i was doing something OORP, you could pm me, and i have no prob explaining.
However a better way of dealing with an unusual circumstance is simply to Role Play it yourself... who cares if you haven't read my back story.
"what are you doing there Corsair?".... If you have read the back story, maybe you will know, if you haven't, maybe not - but its still an encounter that has to be Role played anyway.... Role play in game and out is about creativity after all, its about taking on the role of someone else and then being as that character might.
One thing that i always love though in game is when i can tell - via someone else's RP that they actually have read my back stories, it adds to the experience quite a lot. I also personally like knowing the back stories of others, it also makes their characters in game seem so much more fleshed out.
None of this is something thats mandatory in any way of course - if you don't have the inclination to write things or even read them, then you shouldn't and don't have to. I'll relate to you in game by how your RP with me - and there is nothing wrong with that because some people like to keep it simple. But if you do have a backstory and i have read it - then perhaps my RP with you in game might incorporate that and make it that little bit extra....
However - Part of respect is respecting differences - so you don't write stories, big deal, it doesn't make you any worse than "veterans" who do, you're just as much a part of this place as them, and if you are Role Playing in game Kudos to you.
And if you are a Tolstoy writing epics on the forums, then Kudos to you as well, and i'll check out your stories. Immersion is different for everyone, some of us, can do it with a line of text in a chat window - others, like myself to be honest, like a little bit more than that (for my own characters at least) and thats how they play.
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