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DarkOddity · 10-22-2006, 04:42 PM,

marauder,Oct 21 2006, 04:46 AM Wrote:I know that at least 8 solaris BS turrets can strip the shield off and kill a cruiser before the cruiser can drop the BS's shield, therefore the price for solaris BS turrets is fine.

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Actually that statement is false. My battleship runs 8 solaris turrets and they can fire anywhere in a 360 degree circle around my ship (only four can fire top, and four can fire bottom tho) I fought The Hand Of Payne (McNeo's destroyer) and he was able to drop my shield before I could kill him. Infact thanks to his manuvering (can't hit a fast moving cruiser with inferno's/BR very well) I had to use solaris chainguns the entire fight and he got my Battleship nearly to half health before I died.

Solaris BS Varient: 400 Hull/Shot
Corsair BS Varient: 360 Hull/Shot

Only a 40 damage difference in the two on hull.

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DarkOddity · (This post was last modified: 10-22-2006, 05:28 PM by DarkOddity.)

Sorry about double.. but I didn't feel this should be added to the other post.

I was talking to Wolfpack about bombers the other day and he informed me Black Squadron isn't allowed to use the Rheinland Bomber even though it is sold by our Allies the Corsairs, so in light of that I went to make a bomber to compete with the Rheinland bomber.

The Bomber is a B-Wing bomber from star wars
[Image: bwing.jpg]

(Image linked off LancersReactor)

As you can see in the image it will go pretty well in the Freelancer universe based on it's textures.

Suggested Infocard:

Order Strike Bomber

The manufacture of this craft is unknown, however it is being reproduced by the Order to combat the increase in Nomad activty in the Omicrons. This bomber is powerful but lacks in a few regards Hugely compared to the Rheinland bomber by it's pilots the vessel has dramaticly decreased protection but the it boasts a pair of extra class 9 weapons mounts in comparison to it's competition. Overall the Order Strike Bomber is a sturdy and devestating craft.

Weapons: 6/2 (9,9,10,10,10,10,t7,t7)
Armor: 16800 (Rheinland is 21800, 5k Difference)
Nanobots/Batteries: 135/135 (10 Less than Rheinland)
Cargo: 140 (20more than Rheinland Bomber)

Manuvering: Manuverability is equal to Rheinland bomber.

Ship Code:

Code:
[Ship]

ids_name= 458784 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;

ids_info= 458790 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;

ids_info1= 458791 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;

ids_info2= 458792 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;

ids_info3= 458793 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;

ship_class= 3 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

nickname= bwing &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

LODranges = 0, 999999 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;

msg_id_prefix=gcs_refer_shiparch_Liblf &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

mission_property=can_use_berths &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

type=FIGHTER &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

mass=150.000000

hold_size=140 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

linear_drag=1 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

fuse=li_fighter_gas01, 0, -1 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

fuse=li_fighter_smoke01, 0, -1 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

fuse=intermed_damage_smallship02, 0, 400 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

fuse=intermed_damage_smallship03, 0, 200 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

max_bank_angle=35 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

camera_offset=11, 39 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

camera_angular_acceleration=0.05 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

camera_horizontal_turn_angle=23 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

camera_vertical_turn_up_angle=5 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

camera_vertical_turn_down_angle=30 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

camera_turn_look_ahead_slerp_amount=1 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

nanobot_limit=135 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

shield_battery_limit=135 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

hit_pts=16800 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

DA_archetype=ships\bwing\bwing.cmp &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

material_library=ships\bwing\bwing.mat &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

material_library=fx\envmapbasic.mat &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

envmap_material=envmapbasic &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

cockpit = cockpits\liberty\l_elite.ini &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

pilot_mesh=generic_pilot &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

explosion_arch=explosion_li_fighter &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

surface_hit_effects=0, small_hull_hit_light01, small_hull_hit_light02, small_hull_hit_light03

surface_hit_effects=150, small_hull_hit_medium01, small_hull_hit_medium02, small_hull_hit_medium03

surface_hit_effects=300, small_hull_hit_heavy01, small_hull_hit_heavy02, small_hull_hit_heavy03

steering_torque = 36000.000000, 36000.000000, 120000.000000

angular_drag = 41000.000000, 41000.000000, 141000.000000

rotation_inertia = 8400.000000, 8400.000000, 8400.000000

nudge_force = 30000.000000

strafe_force = 20000 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

strafe_power_usage=2 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

bay_door_anim=Sc_open baydoor &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

bay_doors_open_snd=cargo_doors_open &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

bay_doors_close_snd=cargo_doors_close &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

HP_bay_surface=HpBayDoor01 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

HP_bay_external=HpBayDoor02 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

num_exhaust_nozzles=4 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

HP_tractor_source=HpTractor_Source &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

shield_link=l_elite_shield01, HpMount, HpShield01 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;

hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_10, HpShield01 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;

hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_9, HpShield01 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_8, HpShield01 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;

hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_7, HpShield01 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;

hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_6, HpShield01 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_5, HpShield01 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_4, HpShield01

hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_3, HpShield01

hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_2, HpShield01

hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_1, HpShield01

hp_type = hp_turret_special_7, HpTurret01, HpTurret02

hp_type = hp_turret_special_6, HpTurret01, HpTurret02

hp_type = hp_turret_special_5, HpTurret01, HpTurret02

hp_type = hp_turret_special_4, HpTurret01, HpTurret02

hp_type = hp_turret_special_3, HpTurret01, HpTurret02

hp_type = hp_turret_special_2, HpTurret01, HpTurret02

hp_type = hp_turret_special_1, HpTurret01, HpTurret02

hp_type = hp_thruster, HpThruster01 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 

hp_type = hp_mine_dropper, HpMine01 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;

hp_type = hp_torpedo_special_1, HpTorpedo01, HpTorpedo02

hp_type = hp_torpedo_special_2, HpTorpedo01, HpTorpedo02

hp_type = hp_countermeasure_dropper, HpCM01

hp_type = hp_gun_special_10, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06

hp_type = hp_gun_special_9, HpWeapon01, HpWeapon02, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06

hp_type = hp_gun_special_8, HpWeapon01, HpWeapon02, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06

hp_type = hp_gun_special_7, HpWeapon01, HpWeapon02, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06

hp_type = hp_gun_special_6, HpWeapon01, HpWeapon02, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06

hp_type = hp_gun_special_5, HpWeapon01, HpWeapon02, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06

hp_type = hp_gun_special_4, HpWeapon01, HpWeapon02, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06

hp_type = hp_gun_special_3, HpWeapon01, HpWeapon02, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06

hp_type = hp_gun_special_2, HpWeapon01, HpWeapon02, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06

hp_type = hp_gun_special_1, HpWeapon01, HpWeapon02, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06 &nbsp;

Please note I claim no creative right to this ship it is Property of Porsche and was available to download on Lancers Reactor here. My only claim is to stat changes for the Discovery mod and balancing and comparison.

Update: I have already sent Porsche an email requesting permission to use the bomber in the mod so once I get a reply (Hopefully yes) all Igiss will need to do is approve and hopefully only do minor tweaks accordingly.

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marauder · (This post was last modified: 10-22-2006, 05:48 PM by marauder.)

Why do people ignore or forget about the taiidan bomber?

Or is that because (according to the infocard, never actually tried it) it's got less armour, no turret mounts, less bots/batts and a smaller hold?

If so then I guess igiss wasted his time putting it into the mod.

DarkOddity · 10-22-2006, 06:03 PM,

Actually the Taiidan bomber is incredible, but it only has 1 Torpedo mount

Above bomber would have 2 torp mounts.

Fromt he short time I used the Taiidan it has insane manuverability stats but I prefer to have the raw power of a bomber and pass on the manuverability.

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Dab · 10-22-2006, 07:37 PM,

Outcast destroyer strafes at a speed of about 160. Thus making a fight against an even minimally armed one, pointless. They can't be killed because they dodge everything short of solaris and Order turrets.

Fellow Hoodlum · 10-22-2006, 07:56 PM,

I'm sorry, not on for a while, and this becomes a Starwars mod. Did I miss something ?
Last time I looked, this was a complete Freelancer mod, not lots of Starwars ships for
the benefit of one faction only.

Hoodlum

Some say he is a proud member of: "The most paranoid group of people in the Community."

Dab · 10-22-2006, 08:21 PM,

Hoodlum, the only thing I'm going to say is that your a moron and you don't know at all what your talking about.

Qunitinius~Verginix · (This post was last modified: 10-22-2006, 08:53 PM by Qunitinius~Verginix.)

Well, if you do put that little B-wign in there, modify it abit and make it look less starwars and more freelancer, and yea the Outcast HUgenot is the best all around ship for strafing like you said Dab. When McNeo and I fought, He didnt hit me once with his inferno cannons as I could just dodge them.

And U helghast use the tiidanian bomber and its pretty nice, jsut wish it had one more topedo slot.

marauder · 10-22-2006, 09:02 PM,

@Dab: stop flaming, just for once.

About the taiidan bomber, the infocard say it's got 2 mounts, if it hasn't and people have been using it why haven't they posted about it?

Just to make sure people know which one I mean, the taiidan bomber is the white one, the only other bomber I know of is the kushan one which is brown and has always been agile and had one torpedo mount.
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Hoodlum has got a point, we've got alot of ships in the mod which never get used, or get used by one player only.

Plus this mod is suppose to expand on the look and feel of vanilla FL, not add aload of unFL stuff, isn't it?

I think that not adding anymore ships and possibly removing a few of those that are unused would be better then adding more ships that might or might not be used.

McNeo · (This post was last modified: 10-22-2006, 09:58 PM by McNeo.)

Mabey a new line needs to be designed...

....say a Samura line of fighters (which look Japanese and called the Kamekaze ("Divine Wind").

Dont send me somthing saying blah blah blah racist WW2 etc cause im half Japanese and i think its a cool name.

Justification : The second Mongolian Invasion force was destroyed by a typhoon which the Japanes called "Kamekaze" (translation above)

Edit : and some Bowex, ones, some for the IC too and mabey Republican aswell?

All my humble Opinion

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