New Order/BlackSquadron Role Play Rules

[Tenacity]

Tenacity I'm detecting a thinly veiled attack, again, on the Admin team.

Del, the first post in this thread was (and I admit wrongfully) an attack - my last post in this thread wasnt, simply an observation.

I do apologize for targeting you and xoria correctly, but I go on what I see and it sure looked to me like there was some personal bias in recent actions by various admins. Perhaps there's more going on behind the scenes than I see here, but I think you know the feeling, when you have to enact sanctions that are occasionally based on nothing but sketchy evidence with no idea of what else was going on, am I right?

My belief is that Order are not at full scale war against Liberty, but should be conducting operations designed to infiltrate and discover new information about Rheinland's claim of Liberty conducting experiments in Alaska this would include spying within the House itself, Liberty on the other hand is still miffed that the Order exists and would like to see every member deader than dead to prevent them ever fully declaring what they used to be and bringing embarrassment to the most powerful House in Sirius. Now I do concur with the general consensus that attacking Liberty with a cap fleet is not on, but that is my own opinion.

Exactly mine as well. Liberty attacking us is fine, though I'd really prefer not having liberty caps camping over toledo and I'm sure they dont like order caps camping manhattan. I think ops by the order into new york are fine AS LONG AS there are no capships involved without a pre-planned event and acceptance by the other side. It is no fun for liberty when we come in with 6 battleships and they've got nothing but fighters and gunboats - likewise, it's no fun for us when one of our cruisers gets taunted into a 1 on 1 fight in alaska and finds himself swarmed by nearly a dozen liberty capships, and yes i'm referring to your situation here ryoken.

Well said Remora. I also have no respect for wolfpack. He barged in,took over,and started calling everyone children,and idiot's. Even to 2 elected indies on his "council" have said they did not want it,and 1 said he is backing down from it. I respected the Bs,and it's leadership. Since wolfpack came back? hell i will not even acknowlege Bs most time's in game anymore.

Now I know i'm choking myself with my own words here, but at least hold some respect even for people you dont like (once again, apologies to the admins) - wolf is doing what he thinks needs to be done in order to resolve the problems at hand, as are the rest of us.

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[Wolfpack98]

Ya know, this is really gettnig amusing.

You guys completely missed the point. That council weither it lives or not (Which by the way may get disbanded, and it won't be because of this community's constant whining) is highly debatable.

And For the last frakkin' time, It only affects those that wish to work with it. If you're not wanting to work with it, then kindly STFU and leave the topic alone. It doesn't affect you, nor doe sit deal with you, so why are you nitpicking a topic that no longer has anything to do with you?

*THAT* is the exact arguement that makes no bloody sense. It no longer applies to all independents, just those that want to work with the council.

I don't really care if you respect me or not. I never had respect for the community following those character assassination attacks i saw in flood (which is extremely low and grade-school like). I don't want anyone's respect. My job is done. The admins are discussing the solutions available. If you guys want to continue flaming me over a topic that hardly involves you, Then that is your problem, no longer mine.

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[Heartless]

and to add, you guys still don't get that this is not a faction v. indies thing...

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SwissScorch --> Heartless

[Orin]

Wolfpack, mate, chill. That's an awful attitude for a faction leader. Doesn't matter if someone blatantly posts that they hate your guts, turn the other cheek. It shows you're the bigger man. You're acting like a pissed off teenager.

[Unseelie]

I don't think there's any problem with suggesting the current system is flawed, even with its allowances for a player to completely ignore it. I think, moreover, that giving ear to the suggestions might make it less flawed, and therefore...make people less likely to ignore it.

I still think this is perfectly valid.

Just because people can choose to be exempt doesn't mean they should simply be ignored, and moreover, if you incorporate their ideals, you can get a system that more people will agree to participate in, thereby making a stronger council. If a council is in fact your goal, you should want it to be as inclusive as possible.

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[Wolfpack98]

I still think this is perfectly valid.

Just because people can choose to be exempt doesn't mean they should simply be ignored, and moreover, if you incorporate their ideals, you can get a system that more people will agree to participate in, thereby making a stronger council. If a council is in fact your goal, you should want it to be as inclusive as possible.

Look i'm not against ideas. I'm all open to ideas, but not when people are going to go out of their way and nitpick a solution that no longer applies to them.

if they want to be involved in the council, then sure. I'm willing to listen to *EVERYONE* regardless of how they respect me or if I respect them. I'm not here to push Bs| agenda.. I never was. I ahave always put the role play of the mod ifrst and foremost. Bs| is a secondary issue which I will deal with privately (and no, it won't be public on the forum in any way, shape or form).

One catch with "Democratic" election systems is it never works in Discovery. It's been tried, repeatedly, and it's failed. The only time it's worked is with the admins. Democratically selected council members can easily drop into absolute anarchy. So others want an even number of Bs| and Independents on the council. Sure. I have no issues with that. DOn't want me in command of Bs| TFB. I ain't going anywhere. Don't want me on the council? Besides Swiss and Ascendency I'm the only one with any real command powers over Bs| that can serve the council.

I have removed Bs| general power over the order, and am willing to put it in the council, but not at this rate. not with the ammount of flame material going on. And deffinitely not with the ammount of bullcrap I'm seeing.

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[bluntpencil2001]

Wolfpack, relax.

People believe that this concerns them because it will set a precedent. For instance, if the Order's main faction is allowed to do X thing, well, the same will apply to the Bretonian Armed Forces or Rheinland Military, who will be able to do X thing, X being whatever.

Continuously saying that everyone is whining isn't going to help anything, it only makes you look hotheaded and perhaps even lacking in capability. Saying that people are flaming whilst simultaneously saying that their concerns are 'bullcrap' (nice way to avoid the swear filter, I'll note that one down for future use) and that they are 'whining' makes one look rather rude and hypocritical.

Basically, what I'm saying is that your abrasive manner will have people disagreeing with you because it is you soon, unless you chill out, even if next time, you are correct.

Relax, have a beer, enjoy Christmas, then we can all do this in a happy-fun-time way, right? It's better than being a much less frightening version of the Incredible Hulk at any rate.

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[Wolfpack98]

Precendence was already set, Blunt, by Rheinland Military.

I'm not trying to copycat them word for word, but I'm starting to think that might be the better way to go than do this a council direction.

We're not doing anything "new" or whatever. The council is simply the radical change. We're dropping the *CONTROL* over all independent RPers and such. We've already done that in my first post which seems to continuously be brought back up repeatedly (why is something I cannot fanthom), hence my frusteration with this community thus far. it's like everyone's stuck on my original topic, even after i had edited it to be inline with what the admins explicitlly stated.

The only thing i am looking to restrict is capitals and for what use. Which is, BTW, already set up by Rheinland Military. Go look at their posts and they already restrict based on Role Play and what not.

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[bluntpencil2001]

Sounds better, and thanks for calming down.

The RM, have a very strange way of doing things, to be fair. They allow people to fly what ships they want, so long as they act like RM, and don't do anything stupid, really.

But, yeah, it is full of grey areas and people won't be happy when they're told what to do, unfortunately.

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[n00bl3t]

and to add, you guys still don't get that this is not a faction v. indies thing...

Right.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.