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jimmy Patterson · (This post was last modified: 03-13-2009, 01:46 PM by jimmy Patterson.)

its not modled in game but i have diffent "segments" of the cargo hold the genenral use/storage/ the passagers /human cargo/ (crew vips if they wish to get there secretly) then i have the speclized (hazzardous matarials ectra refrigrated inclured or what not)then i have the "military" section a contrans is a big shipand as the original fina cer of iot ran mineing busness(jims family mined)and that died off he decided to makre a "swiss army knife" of a cargoship all segments can be interchanged as needed but thats not the point thew point is this

1. to many 2MILLRDAI lolwutter pew pew pirates that dont even give you the tiome to fullfill the demands(il lnever pay them FYI ) and
2.NO INDIE ESCOURTS ANYMORE and no faction escourt wings gonna escourt my lil (andrped as busted)IMG IFF contrans (that at the time was RPed as rented or leases he recently payed it off(npc wise anyway as the faction wasent around at the time i bought it)unless i join a faction which im not as i find them to restrictive and you can only advance by pvp tho i did run the trade Federation on the freeworlds usa server (defence leader)so i may opt back into it(cant fight but i can coordnate it so i might end up giveing the factions a try)

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carlabrams · 03-13-2009, 02:01 PM,

' Wrote:best route i could find isnt even half as good as the diamond/niobium run that was popular before the reunion mod.

And many items had their cargo space requirement doubled (notably human cargo), which really annoyed me.

So please, by next update, whenever that may be, lets get trading back on track:)

starting with:

Putting many of the increased cargo space requirement items back to their original 1 space per item. some of these are military vehicles, prisoners, ship hull panels, passengers.

lowering/raising some prices here and there.

:crazy::nyam::tease:

EDIT:

I just noticed I was making a pretty major miscalculation while working out the profit of routes, making it look like all routes in existance are low-paying.

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

Welcome to ROLE PLAYING. You find it boring? I have zip - zero - nada - sympathy for you.

And I'm speaking as someone who did corporate allowed routes ONLY with my trader, and still raised more than 1 Billion credits to help finance a faction, a system purchase, and a large assortment of ships.

Sentient Machine Alliance

douglas_brad · 03-13-2009, 02:16 PM,

Y'know, Just a little bit ago I got bored and figured it'd be fun to recreate the very first mission in Vanilla SP. I grabbed my DSE Large transport, filled it with (I already forgot), even got a guy to link up at Fort Bush in a flea as escort. We even got TL disrupted by NPC Rogues before we hit pittsburgh, bugged out and made it fine. It was a perfect online recreation of SP. I tried to recreate the comm traffic too, but my memory was fuzzy. I had fun with it, even if it sounds lame.

I guess my point is Yes everybody uses their trader as a source of cash, but take some time out and have a little fun now and again, otherwise you miss the point.

mwerte · 03-13-2009, 02:41 PM,

The post above this one is win.

Corsair · 03-13-2009, 04:30 PM,

I believe that this new economy was meant to cripple powertrading, and encouraging Role-play trading. Now hauling food to Crete or Malta is more enticing, and then smuggling Artifacts back is now very profitable. And that I can fill up my hold to the maximum with them are nice.

Fellow Hoodlum · 03-13-2009, 04:31 PM,

Lets keep the software spoilers off the forums, shall we ? - Thank you.

Hood

Some say he is a proud member of: "The most paranoid group of people in the Community."

Weedalot · 03-13-2009, 04:36 PM,

We cannot power trade anymore? OMG OMG what shall we do next RP while trading? OMG please do not do it to us:lol:

♠ Because we can ♠

Unseelie · 03-13-2009, 05:04 PM,

Ive some issues with the new economy, and the language being used to discuss it.

To begin, Power trading. Any merchant in their right mind would work as hard as possible(or as they are willing) to earn as much cash in the least amount of time. That is RP. Now, of course, there were some routes which made no sense. Doesn't matter, that's been drastically changed. But if you think for a moment that this will alleviate powertrading, you are wrong. Powertrading is here and will continue to stay here, on routes that look more rp-ish, because that is what the economy now is. The problem with power trading, beyond crazy oorp routes, is the behavior of pilots. They're in corporate IDed trains, now, but they're doing the exact same thing, and doing it for longer, because it takes them more time. Nothing's changed. Power trading....is what trading is. If you mean, by RP trading, trading at a loss, or for marginal profits...Explain to me, please, how your corporation supports that enterprise. How, for example, does Synth food feed the world, if most bases buy synth for less than Stuttgart sells it?

Capships: well, again, I don't expect a damn thing will change....people will still buy them. And they are welcome to.

On the routes themselves, and the decreased overall profits...It just makes things more expensive. Everything is worth more, in real terms, because less money can be made. I assume this is meant to counter the problem we have with the set limit on money. The routes, in my opinion (no disrespect to the work put into them), are merely a sketch before a portrait. They're a great drawing, but need extensive fleshing out beyond just some balancing tweaks. Things need to be added. Two stop routes, why not. Short stops between the far routes, side trips, et cetera. If you want the majority of the traders to use the long world tour routes, make them worth more, but there should be other routes available.

On the topic of RP trade routes, people often espouse the belief that corporations only follow the lanes, or some other nonsense. To be sure, lanes are great, while they are there. But corporations were founded, systems were explored, using Cruise and JH. Certianly they haven't forgotten them. Even Vanilla transports sometimes wander off in wild directions from the gates (where are they going, really?) Ageria encourages use of lanes...but often the profits do not. RP? Businesses follow profit. The RP is deciding risk, and then deciding morals. And then you gather as much profit as you can.

Linkus · (This post was last modified: 03-13-2009, 05:40 PM by Linkus.)

If the new trading system eliminates OORP runs, lets you work for your money and also allow you to make at least as much as it did last version (So people don't have to spend more time roleplaying a role many hate and can concentrate on the characters they enjoy more in general) then I am happy.
If any of those 3 aren't true in this version, I'm going to jump up and down, cry and scream at the highest pitch my lungs can manage.
Or just ask for something to change.

Facilitating the rise of robotics since 0 A.D.

Unseelie · 03-13-2009, 05:44 PM,

Much less money linkus.

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