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Ironfoot · 03-13-2009, 08:43 PM,

It's all in a bit of fun.

I throw in a few, "must run chaps, toodle pip what-what", and "go back to your tea drinking" but then being English myself I could hardly be accused of being racist, could I?

And as my main character lives in Kusari , (but if you read the Black Dragon Recruiting thread, actually a Gaijin himself), they can call me a slittly eye any day.

Just remember that at the end of the day it's only a game and these are only characters we make up, if your doing it properly that is!

BaconSoda · 03-13-2009, 09:06 PM,

' Wrote:Now I don't really have much background knowledge of how the both sides roleplayed towards each other but it's in my opinion getting a little too personal now.

The insults where I'm particularly confused about are the Racial Slurs. Many players do it. Heck, we nearly call everyone Gaijin. We are ultranationalistic xenophobes, but is this statement detracting from the overall roleplay atmosphere, or enforcing our characters?

I agree with this. I agree with this as both a BPA constable being told about the "Slanties" and as one of the "Slanties" that are being fought in the AFA, and even the Phantoms. Quite honestly, it does go too far, and the BAF should be able to be more clever than that, especially as one of the largest factions on the server and as one of the leading rolemodels to new players.

' Wrote:Unfortunately, war tends to bring out things like racism. It's a war, it's to be expected.

You're taking it too far. Using one slur is fine, and more intermittently is excellent, but, I don't like to see "Damn slantie noodle munchers trying to eat our babies." no matter what side I'm on.

' Wrote:Respect your enemy.

And here is where the problem comes from. Many of us do not respect our enemies. Many of the people I fight and traders I pirate seem to think that I have a personal grudge against them, and that I take some sadistic pleasure from taking their credits and cargo, or that I have a personal grudge against their RP. Really, it's about the game, and when the game makes anyone else feel bad, OoRP, then it's time we stepped away from the game and looked at ourselves.

' Wrote:I like it when KNF say 'gaijin', 'roundeye', 'dishonourable foreigner' or whatever.

I'd expect 'slanty dogeater' to go down just as well.

Slanty dogeater is a little different from Gaijin. Gaijin means foreigner, dishonorable foreigner means foreigner with less honor than me, roudeye means someone with round eys, slanty dogeater means inferior race who eats food that our culture has deemed to be less than kosher. Which one is more insulting, do you think? It goes beyond RP, and it's personally insulting, even though I'm not Asian in anyway. You can be wittier than that, Blunt. Honestly, you can...

[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.

bluntpencil2001 · (This post was last modified: 03-13-2009, 09:13 PM by bluntpencil2001.)

' Wrote:inferior race who eats food that our culture has deemed to be less than kosher.

That's the whole point.

Why the hell should soldiers and the like be nice? They often aren't. Many soldiers, especially in wartime situations, end up a hell of a lot worse.

lulz@PC brigade

Ironwatsas · 03-13-2009, 09:13 PM,

In-character insults (so long as they do not cross reasonable bounderies or server rules regarding language) are all part of the RP. Given that I interact with Kusari from the perspectives of several diffrent factions, I know how deep the animosity between factions therin can go.

However, I'm usually in contact with a lot of the players I regularly interact with in an OOC capacity, which helps a bit. While many of my characters do, with reason, spout the occasional insult at another character (with noted acceptions of Udo Ackermann and Ironwatsas) I tend to keep it well within tolerable levels. It is usually part of the character.

Example being my GC character, who has a personal vendetta with Zelot's AFA (which is his fault, btw), and the two commonly have shouting matches and frequent dogfights. In RP, she desires to, and will stop at nothing to kill and eat Ze'ev, while at the same time Ze'ev seeks to capture and abuse or kill my GC. This leads to quite a few shouting matches in character, although I can (and usually do) talk directly to Zelot afterwards on Skype, it never gets personal in an OOC capacity.

However, that has to do with their RP. Other characters have vastly diffrent RP reasons, for example Udo Ackermann, who despite being an LWB pirate, is infact the nicest, most kind hearted, and friendly person you could meet (Read: A pussy) and is really physically incapable of getting angry at anything. Insults directed at him usually only make him sad, as he is quite childish as far as his emotions are concerned.

Another example is Ironwatsas, whom insults have no effect on as he is a cold and soulless robot. He himself rarely insults others, due to his mechanistic personality. The exception being when he's trying to get into a person's head, or deliberately mess with them psychologically (in character of course).

All that begins must end.

BaconSoda · 03-13-2009, 09:13 PM,

' Wrote:That's the whole point.

Why the hell should soldiers and the like be nice? They often aren't. Many soldiers, especially in wartime situations end up a hell of a lot worse.

lulz@PC brigade

It's personally insulting, Blunt, and if you'd be so kind to notice, Zygothes was banned for doing something of just that sort. That's the point of this thread...

If I can be wittier than that in German, a language I've only spoken for three years, you can be wittier than that in English...

[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.

bluntpencil2001 · (This post was last modified: 03-13-2009, 09:21 PM by bluntpencil2001.)

' Wrote:It's personally insulting, Blunt, and if you'd be so kind to notice, Zygothes was banned for doing something of just that sort. That's the point of this thread...

If I can be wittier than that in German, a language I've only spoken for three years, you can be wittier than that in English...

Zygoeths was being racist Out of Character. Players can be racist in character.

Saying that we could be banned for racism is like claiming that Dreygon is a serial killer because Mon'Star is.

Being 'witty' about issues like that is just sugar coating it. It has the same meaning, and will offer the same amount of insult to those that can read between the lines. Also, man up, it's not real racism.

BaconSoda · (This post was last modified: 03-13-2009, 09:21 PM by BaconSoda.)

' Wrote:Zygoeths was being racist Out of Character. Players can be racist in character.

Saying that we could be banned for racism is like claiming that Dreygon is a serial killer because Mon'Star is.

Being 'witty' about issues like that is just sugar coating it. It has the same meaning, and will offer the same amount of insult to those that can read between the lines.

You don't seem to understand that it's horribly insulting, do you? Zygoeths was banned for being insulting. It's utterly and totally insulting to the other player on the other end of the screen. Sugar coating it makes it just that: Nicer sounding, witty, and not personal. It makes it fun, rather than insulting. That is why there is a pre-engagement RP rule, so that the RP is fun, the RP is exciting, not just "Engaging" or "Die Outcast!". You're taking the spirit of that and twisting it horribly, making the RP a bad event for the receiving side, especially when we try and make it fun, and we try and make the debates interesting and about more than just shooting each other.

It's just utterly insulting, especially when on the receiving side, and even more so when I do my best to make the RP engaging and fun so the game isn't just about pressing the right mouse button...

[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.

bluntpencil2001 · (This post was last modified: 03-13-2009, 09:30 PM by bluntpencil2001.)

' Wrote:You don't seem to understand that it's horribly insulting, do you? Zygoeths was banned for being insulting. It's utterly and totally insulting to the other player on the other end of the screen. Sugar coating it makes it just that: Nicer sounding, witty, and not personal. It makes it fun, rather than insulting. That is why there is a pre-engagement RP rule, so that the RP is fun, the RP is exciting, not just "Engaging" or "Die Outcast!". You're taking the spirit of that and twisting it horribly, making the RP a bad event for the receiving side, especially when we try and make it fun, and we try and make the debates interesting and about more than just shooting each other.

It's just utterly insulting, especially when on the receiving side, and even more so when I do my best to make the RP engaging and fun so the game isn't just about pressing the right mouse button...

Why is it insulting? A fictitious character calling another fictitious character names is now insulting? Zygoeths was banned at laughing at hundreds of thousands of innocent people being killed because of their skin colour.

Now, if a fictitious Phantom character laughed at hundreds of thousands of fictitious people dying because they were a different race from him, would that earn a ban? No, it wouldn't, because Phantoms aren't nice people. The player might be, but that's irrelevant. Some of us play villains, you know.

War, especially on the scale that the Bretonian/Kusari one is at, brings out the worst of people. Calling folks 'dogeater' isn't anywhere near that stage.

BaconSoda · 03-13-2009, 09:44 PM,

It's really funny you said that to a Phantom. I do play the villain, on almost every character, but, when it comes to ruining someone's fun for my gain, I stop. It is insulting, Blunt, and you don't seem to get it that it is insulting. I'm not even Asian, and it's insulting to me. The insult goes past RP, and that is the problem. It's an insult that goes out of the game instead of making the game more fun...

[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.

bluntpencil2001 · (This post was last modified: 03-13-2009, 09:47 PM by bluntpencil2001.)

' Wrote:It's really funny you said that to a Phantom. I do play the villain, on almost every character, but, when it comes to ruining someone's fun for my gain, I stop. It is insulting, Blunt, and you don't seem to get it that it is insulting. I'm not even Asian, and it's insulting to me. The insult goes past RP, and that is the problem. It's an insult that goes out of the game instead of making the game more fun...

Let me put it this way...

If I went to Japan and was called a 'gaijin haggiseater' repeatedly, I could quite reasonably be offended. If someone said 'I hate you Scottish gaijin scum!', I'd be angry. If gaijin is allowed, so is dogeater, in my opinion. One insult is Japanese culture, the other very British.

If someone called my character this, I wouldn't care.

It. Is. Not. You.

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