Superior Phantom ships/weapons

[Blodo]

Why does everyone hate the Phantoms... well... lets see:
- you got your stuff, but it's wildly overbuffed
- you're the faction with the most pvp freedom on the server
- you use that freedom to it's biggest extent
- Phantom RP barely even fits into the Freelancer universe (unlike Nomads and Coalition to quote a few) making it seem forced to many
- you tend to powergame (Outcast and Corsair nations both running scared of you? whoa...)

I think these are the main reasons why Phantoms get flamed. I also think suggestions were made to perhaps have Phantoms put RP before PvP by throwing away the ridiculous diplomacy of "Lawfuls - Hostile, Unlawfuls - Friendly" and try to play factions against each other, or otherwise gain some sort of support across Sirius for a concealed, sinister goal. After all, there is a reason why many people call the Phantoms an admin approved uber-pvp squad...

To contribute to the topic: The Phantoms shouldn't have a noticable edge above anyone else. Their weapons should be the same as other standard level 9 faction guns, the fact that the ships are overpowered as it is should be enough for now.

[Treewyrm]

Pity this thread had to come to this. What's more it makes me rather sad to see certain posts and attempts to derail the subject into flamefest, accusatory and bashing each one out. From the people I least expected of such.

Look, people, is this what you really want?

All this... hate... envy... anger... Does the hell had suddenly to break loose here?

All these unhealthy and meaningless comparisons... doing exactly nothing constructive or positive. All this sandbox politics and throwing sand into each others eyes. Is that it? Is that low it had come to? All this pointing fingers at each other and shouting loud... But hold there for a moment, freeze it, turn 180 degrees... Is that what you really are?...

And to be honest, certain posts here made me wonder what kind of stinking sewer runs underneath the seemingly happy community. Have people here suddenly have lost the respect for the others and themselves?

[FooFighter]

Then I think you have not had many interactions with Phantoms, also, the problem is, when we start to talk to people, they start to shoot. Same reason the Keepers are involved in alot of PVP. To say the Phantoms is a "PVP" faction just goes to show the skewed view people have of it. The main problem is tat when people see the Phantom ID, it means to them that it's PVP time. You try and RP in your fighter when you have 5 fighters and 2 caps attacking you. We do RP, we do it in private comms, we do it in group chat, we do it in system chat, none the less, when people see Phantoms, they dont want to roleplay, they want to attack us. If you are ever there for the beginning of a Phantom interaction, you will see a whole lot of rp, but yes, once the pew pew starts, it's hard for us to continue to type in messages when we are getting attacked usually at least 2 to 1.

Easy solution to avoid getting pewpew'd when you just want to RP...fly above the plane or somewhere else nobody ever goes, and stay there, just like everybody else does it.

Another good step to give the Phantoms a better image would be to cease being a Admin/Admin-friend only faction. I completely understand why you don't want Phantom indies (I wouldn't want Nomad/Coalition indies either), just as I can see why recruiting people for the Phantoms is a quite...well, difficult thing. But how's about that - stop saying "don't apply", and instead say "you want to RP as a Phantom? Great, contact user X, he'll see if you could fit into our faction and if you do, I'm sure we could work something out".

[Dusty Lens]

I don't think you guys "get" the Phantoms.

[Asgardian]

Could someone please direct me to where the Phantom RP is written down? It'd be nice to read the RP, then assess for RP reasons whether or not the Phantoms should get buffed weapons. If they're a specialist faction with an RP of having high-tech, then I'd say they should have buffed weapons for RP reasons.

I don't really care about PvP reasons for the Phantoms having buffed weapons; RP>PvP.

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[Zelot]

Check the Oldest post in the official factions thread.

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[Unseelie]

Excuse me, Zelot, but that post doesn't actually contain links to rp threads, just what is in the post.

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[Camtheman Of Freelancer4Ever]

I think they should be about 10% better than average equipment
Not enough to wtfpwn everything in sight, but enough to stand out a little.

[MrHeadphones]

I'd personally go with 0%. Why? A certain RP experience which lead to my Large Train being shot down less than 1k from the Planet Pittsburgh mooring fixture (Kudos to Pitchfork by the way, for making that journey just a litle bit more interesting, and being the first person to manage to kill my trader). If the phantoms got that buff, then the feeling of "so nearly" escaping, or "almost" defeating them, would be gone, since you'd feel that you were bound to lose against them from the start, rather than it being a hard-fought defeat. You'd probably just feel bitter about it because of their buffed weapons, wheras with a more even playing field, it still feels like, if you defeat them, that you were lucky to fend them off, since, the Phantoms do have a very strong RP reputation for being fearsome.

[Xing]

I agree with Blodo, 100%.
Heck, I might even make a userbar for it. but hes better than me for that.

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