Artisan Farmers Alliance Feedback

[bluntpencil2001]

Stokes is KNF owned.

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[Zelot]

Your point is meaningless Blunty, and just goes to show how far you will go to deflect criticism of your own faction. Stokes is jointly operated by Samura and Kishiro as stated in the station infocard. So whether it is owned by KNF, Samura, or Kishiro, doenst matter, as it is run by Samura and Kishiro.

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[Thexare]

Privateers operating in Kusari (They seem to operate in Kyushu, New Tokyo and Honshu) Have 1 single base (Ainu) to dock in Hokkaido, and the BMM base in Tau23 to operate in all of Kusari.
By a process of logical deduction, the AFA are in a far better situation from a logistical standpoint to be operating in Leeds, than the Privateers are working in Kusari.

Speaking as an Outcast here, I do wish the admins used this line of logic. If they did, we'd actually be able to help the Hessians and Chrysanthemums without fear of sanctions.

[bluntpencil2001]

Your point is meaningless Blunty, and just goes to show how far you will go to deflect criticism of your own faction. Stokes is jointly operated by Samura and Kishiro as stated in the station infocard. So whether it is owned by KNF, Samura, or Kishiro, doenst matter, as it is run by Samura and Kishiro.

You're still operating from KNF bases.

You aren't KNF. You aren't Kishiro. You aren't Samura.

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[BaconSoda]

You know, Blunt, if you'd pull your head out of your rear end for once in your life, you'd realize that feces doesn't usually come out of people's mouths. You've argued the same point repeatedly, and here is the fact: your logic has been defeated.

If it makes you feel better, the AFA is an ultra-nationalist split off from the Farmer's Alliance. No one place says were the entire thing, we don't represent the entirety of it. We're an ultra-nationalist sect of the FA. In no way, shape, or form has it ever been stated that we are the FA in its entirety. That would be foolhearty. What does this mean? It means we have interests other than just the vanilla FA.

Now, you're right, we aren't Samura, but we are Samura's goons. What does that mean? They point, and we go. If they say "Go to Leeds and stir up some trouble," we're going to go to Leeds and stir up some trouble. We have no problem shooting gaijin anywhere they want us to, being the ultra-nationalists we are. We keep it on the down-low, but, in the end, this is how it is. Samura is the master, and we are the pet. They give us money and information, they give us someone to look to for advice and purpose. That is how it is.

Furthermore, what says we shouldn't go somewhere else for publicity for our cause? Have you ever heard of a movie called "Munich" depicting a terrorist attack by Palestinian terrorists in Germany during the Olympics? By your logic, they should've never gone to Germany, they were trying to change things back home. But, they went to to Germany, and they gained publicity for their fight to make Palestine a separate country again. Why shouldn't we do something like that to send a message to gaijin to stay out? This is especially so for the Bretonians. They have done particular damage to Kusari (most notably, the Privateers). We should be more than willing to teach Gateway, BowEx, or anyone else there that even if the war ends, they won't be welcome in Kusari.

On the path of the KNF, maybe some of our characters feel that they are doing something that the KNF wouldn't allow? That they're helping Kusari in a way the KNF wouldn't condone? The KNF would never let us do the things we do in the manner we do them. Our combat skills and methods are different from the KNF's, be them untrained and unorthodox to trained and methodical. It's the character that decided that, and some characters actually came from the KNF because they felt that they should be doing more than just serving the military and the emperor, they should be serving Kusari in its entirety and its whole.

Now, then, unless you enjoy hypocrisy so fervently, I think we're all done here.

EDIT: Thexare, why can't you help the GC or the Hessians as an Outcast? That only makes sense, and I don't believe anyone has been sanctioned for helping their allies in places they could logically go...

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[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.

[bluntpencil2001]

Furthermore, what says we shouldn't go somewhere else for publicity for our cause? Have you ever heard of a movie called "Munich" depicting a terrorist attack by Palestinian terrorists in Germany during the Olympics? By your logic, they should've never gone to Germany, they were trying to change things back home. But, they went to to Germany, and they gained publicity for their fight to make Palestine a separate country again. Why shouldn't we do something like that to send a message to gaijin to stay out? This is especially so for the Bretonians. They have done particular damage to Kusari (most notably, the Privateers). We should be more than willing to teach Gateway, BowEx, or anyone else there that even if the war ends, they won't be welcome in Kusari.

The Munich attack was against Israeli athletes.

If the Farmer's Alliance were in a foreign country attacking Synth Foods, it might be more applicable. (Even though the rumours state that LWB and FA are never likely to meet, so it seems unlikely). They also weren't basing from a military base on Germany's border.

Now, lay off the insults. I've been attempting not to personally attack people here, unlike others. Saying 'feces' instead of 'sh*t' doesn't mean you're not flaming, and not being offensive.

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[BaconSoda]

The Munich attack was against Israeli athletes.

If the Farmer's Alliance were in a foreign country attacking Synth Foods, it might be mroe applicable.

Now, lay off the insults. I've been attempting not to personally attack people here, unlike others. Saying 'feces' instead of 'sh*t' doesn't mean you're not flaming, and not being offensive.

And there aren't foreigners in Bretonia? I stated who exactly we're sending a message to by attacking Bretonia, and you chose to ignore that. BowEx, Gateway, Universal, anyone in Leeds who is supporting the Bretonians knows from our attacks that they aren't welcome in Kusari, that they are an influence unwelcome by not only the KNF, but the Kusari people. THAT is what we're doing. If you can't understand, maybe you should talk to the Privateers. I hear they're in Kusari doing somewhat the same thing. They could give you a few pointers on how it's done.

Hrm, and saying slant isn't insulting after a plethora of people have told you it is? Playing the victim only works if you're truly the victim. Take a page from your own book before you start showing pages to me.

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[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.

[bluntpencil2001]

Hrm, and saying slant isn't insulting after a plethora of people have told you it ist? Playing the victim only works if you're truly the victim. Take a page from your own book before you start showing pages to me.

One is in roleplay, the other isn't.

If you cant separate yourself from your character, that's not my problem. If you said that my character was full of sh*t, in roleplay, I wouldn't have a problem.

If you can't separate yourself from your character, I'd suggest visiting the doctor.

And there aren't foreigners in Bretonia? I stated who exactly we're sending a message to by attacking Bretonia, and you chose to ignore that. BowEx, Gateway, Universal, anyone in Leeds who is supporting the Bretonians knows from our attacks that they aren't welcome in Kusari

Bowex, BMM, Gateway and Planetform all know they aren't welcome in Kusari already. That's why they aren't there. By that argument, you could preemptively enter Rheinland, just so Daumann, Kruger, Republican and ALG know not to come into Kusari in the future. Sound silly? Of course, because it is.

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[Blodo]

What exactly do AFA gain anyways by attacking Bretonia on the very front lines, considering that all they want is for Kyushu to be Samura owned? I mean, why would the KNF (who is first in control of Glasgow and Stokes, Samura and Kishiro come second since they are "just" corporations) even allow docking rights to a bunch of politically active farmers? That's like saying that militaries should allow civilian militia to participate in a war on foreign soil, a bit farfetched isn't it? It would be understandable if the BAF was the one invading Kyushu... but the AFA in Leeds? That's just weird.

Same thing applies to Hogosha, Gaians, the whole lot who decide that they can base themselves off of Stokes all of a sudden. For all the rage against Privateer actions in Kusari, take note that the closest base we base from is the Tau-23 gate construction, and we never ever base ourselves off of Ainu, that's OORP as far as we're concerned. You want to invade Leeds? Make a KNF character! You're a Gaian? Take the time to fly there from Edinburgh.

[Elsdragon]

Because De Facto We are the KNF-P.We help the Government too, As we gain nothing from its destruction.

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No longer a slave to the man!