' Wrote:Some of them even read no server-rules. you think they would read a "how to RP-thread" ?
but I share your optimism. just find one to write it :laugh:
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Unfortunately I'm not as optimist as you are :). My proposal was ironic... The only way to have these people reading the forums is killing them in game, killing again and again and again. But doing it would be incredibly boring... and I do not play Disco to been bored.
Lump Lorry on behalf of the Lorry Family
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(Former chars on Disco 4.82)-- The old Lorry Family --
Lump Lorry freelancer trader. chief of the Lorrys | Manta Lorry freelancer pilot | [HF] Cesare Lorry fighter pilot, HF member | sso|Ace Wolverine Lorry bounty hunter | [RM] M(anfred) Von Lorryhofen Rheinland Military pilot | [AEGIS] GB 303 Ticonderoga AEGIS artificial intelligence gunboat | (secret
member) In charge of keeping the family's secrets
@Lorry: The thing about real-world terrorists organisations is, they specifically goes after civilian targets. Becuase they doesn't have the resources or the guts to take on military forces... if they did they would die horribly. Their aim is to accomplish w/e by _terrorising_ the civilian populace into submission, or risk being blown up anytime.
(Note the distinction between _terrosists_ and _insurgents/guerillas_).
This ties in with your other point about terrorism being an assymetric conflict.
So actions of self-styled terrorists going after civvy transports (in Disco) are valid in that respect. However as you said terrorist orgs should not be doing it with fleet of military bombers and remain in the bounds of credulity. Maybe one bomber, stolen or w/e. And certainly not a BS, cruiser or any capship.
My other point is no terrorist is an island -- they always receive financial support, either overtly or covertly, from sympathetic parties. In Disco's case this translates to being "friendly" with someone besides yourself, docking at their base, w/e. So technically they wouldn't need to trade or pirate, but Freelancer is not the "perfect world".
' Wrote:@Lorry: The thing about real-world terrorists organisations is, they specifically goes after civilian targets. Becuase they doesn't have the resources or the guts to take on military forces... if they did they would die horribly. Their aim is to accomplish w/e by _terrorising_ the civilian populace into submission, or risk being blown up anytime.
Yap... I see your point. Maybe my argument was not stated in a clear way. I was just saying that it's not strange at all that a terrorist organization pirate transports. I can give you many examples of terrorist organizations all around the world that make robberies or kindnappings for finance their attaks against authorities. E.g. in the '70 for the terrorist organizations in active in western Europe was quite normal to do bank robberies. And for many nowadays terrorist groups is quite usual to smuggle drugs in order to finance weaponry.
Lump Lorry on behalf of the Lorry Family
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(Former chars on Disco 4.82)-- The old Lorry Family --
Lump Lorry freelancer trader. chief of the Lorrys | Manta Lorry freelancer pilot | [HF] Cesare Lorry fighter pilot, HF member | sso|Ace Wolverine Lorry bounty hunter | [RM] M(anfred) Von Lorryhofen Rheinland Military pilot | [AEGIS] GB 303 Ticonderoga AEGIS artificial intelligence gunboat | (secret
member) In charge of keeping the family's secrets
' Wrote:@Lorry: The thing about real-world terrorists organisations is, they specifically goes after civilian targets. Becuase they doesn't have the resources or the guts to take on military forces... if they did they would die horribly. Their aim is to accomplish w/e by _terrorising_ the civilian populace into submission, or risk being blown up anytime.
(Note the distinction between _terrosists_ and _insurgents/guerillas_).
This ties in with your other point about terrorism being an assymetric conflict.
So actions of self-styled terrorists going after civvy transports (in Disco) are valid in that respect. However as you said terrorist orgs should not be doing it with fleet of military bombers and remain in the bounds of credulity. Maybe one bomber, stolen or w/e. And certainly not a BS, cruiser or any capship.
My other point is no terrorist is an island -- they always receive financial support, either overtly or covertly, from sympathetic parties. In Disco's case this translates to being "friendly" with someone besides yourself, docking at their base, w/e. So technically they wouldn't need to trade or pirate, but Freelancer is not the "perfect world".
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Actually, onca, there was this infamous iraqi sniper that our beloved Dubya dubbed a terrorist. He shot I think 4-6 soldiers sitting around with a dragunov, and supposedly was never caught (but of couse, dubya announced his death...They later found the vehicle that he was traveling in: a van with padding in front of a hole (in the back) w/ the diameter of a pool ball...
And he hit those guys while the van was moving...I love my troops in iraq, but that is pretty damn amazing.
So, as a terrorist, he targeted military personnel.
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Real Terrorists do not make any real amount of money from ransoms. Al Qaeda has been laundering Drug money through US and European banks for decades now in order to fund their plans. That is why the USA Patriot act was passed-to cut off their funding.
Terrorist funding typically comes from drugs or other black market schemes, credit fraud or charity fraud. I speak mainly of world-class terrorist organisations. Small groups may be able to fund themselves through simple crime but they cannot command the attention of the world like the large ones do.
So I believe a terrorist in Disco should be allowed to smuggle in addition to ransom.
And don't ask me how many times I've had to explain why [CR]/=BSG= talk about cutting drugs off from the Gaians-people don't seem to understand this. Gaians are a terrorist organisation and frankly tree hugging doesn't pay the bills. So I invented the idea of Gaians being smugglers/dealers in addition to militant environmentalists so that they fit the terrorist bill better.
' Wrote:And don't ask me how many times I've had to explain why [CR]/=BSG= talk about cutting drugs off from the Gaians-people don't seem to understand this. Gaians are a terrorist organisation and frankly tree hugging doesn't pay the bills. So I invented the idea of Gaians being smugglers/dealers in addition to militant environmentalists so that they fit the terrorist bill better.
The news on the (only?) Gaian base suggests to me that they're joined at the hip to that Green Front political party. If they have enough popular support to get their people elected into parliament they have enough popular support to do some "legitimate" fundraising. But yeah, making them smugglers in Discovery certainly would give people who want to _be_ them more options too.
Even the Xenos aren't immune to smuggling in the original game. They're opposed to foreign manufactured goods coming into Liberty, but there's lots of news talking about them fighting the Junkers and pirates in an attempt to take over black market trade of commodities not produced domestically (cardamine and diamonds).
Terrorism, although the way of life for the NPCs, is deliberately limited to Xenos and Phantoms on Discovery. Incidents in the past where terrorism as gone so far as to ruin freelancer for some people due to either constant attacks, bickering, or harassment, etc. was the reason. Yes if terrorism is done reasonably, it makes for an interesting environment but several people in the past have taken the terrorism way too far to make the game unenjoyable for some players.
By making the terrorist/pirate groups ask for something first before attacking ensures:
A) They know and have read the rules.
B) Gives the opportunity for the target to respond, and if they want to be left alone they can say so (I'm talking at the point that if you were say trying to visit them they'd be ready to slam the door in your face type of leave me alone).
Some people come to the server to play with friends and although they RP most of the time, occassionally they might just like to do their own thing (which should work since the freelancer universe is plenty big enough, problem comes back to harassment where a player wanting to be left alone ends up hunted down by the same jerk over and over in the name of terrorism).
Its a balancing act between having players able to go around killing everyone, and making sure everyone has a good time. And its up to Wolfpack and the admins to work out exactly how they want that balance.
Last little thing, the tractor beam has a much shorter range for the terrorist ID as a type of penalty for being a terrorist too.
Skye Base in Newcastle is the new Gaian base. Obviously I've never been on it to talk to the bar patrons but I doubt the stories are different.
Terrorist groups will always have simpathisers and token support in legitimate governments, but none of their official supporters would dare send money to a terrorist government because they go to jail for that. That is where the fraudulent charities come in. You hear news of muslum charities being charged in the States some times because they appear to be funneling money over seas to terrorists. They are of course very good at covering themselves so you rarely hear of a conviction.
Since it is now so difficult to fund a movement through charities, Al Qaeda has become the number one producer of Opium in Afganistan to make up for their financial shortfalls.
Again, we have emplaced this very scenario on the Gaians even though none of their NPCs say so on their bases.
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