Don't patronize me, Dab. If the KNF and BAF (for example) both decide that they want to change the story, and ignore some of the in-game written story, what's going to stop them? Let's say that both sides agree that KNF is pushed out of Leeds, and the Nagasaki returns to its previous location. There are no changes to the mod or anything, just a bunch of players agreeing that this is what they will do. What happens then? As long as everyone agrees to it, then it's fine, right?
And yes, roleplaying does require a foundation to build upon. But that doesn't mean it can never change unless the foundation story changes. The players will do what they want to do, and no dev, admin, or anyone can change that. Factions dying out because players get "bored" with their RP, just because it doesn't exactly match what's written? Ridiculous.
Anyways, I see that I can't change your opinion on this topic, so I'll just drop it.
Here's another "I'm curious" question. Does anyone think OOC that the Kusari government controls Okinawa?
Incidentally, does anyone know how to read infocards and rumors without having to go in-game?
What's up, I'm totally disinterested in Okinawa, beyond it providing half the kusari bases my junkers can land on. I think it's an interesting system and bla bla, but I have no interest in how it pans out politically. Just posting based on this:
' Wrote:As long as everyone agrees to it, then it's fine, right?
I think yeah, but as this thread proves, people want whats best for their own factions, so agreeing is going to be hard to achieve. I mean, how many Kusari lawful guys would just give up Leeds?
' Wrote:Many people are operating under the false assumption that because a system says 'Kusari' it is part of that house.
It's not. Is there a 'Border World' government? No, but there are systems labeled 'Border Worlds.'
The system designations are given according to the AREA of space they are in.
There is a Kusari government and a Kusari house, yes. But Kusari also applies to a region of space.
Did you know that Chugoku is labeled as Kusari as well? Don't try to tell me Chugoku falls under Kusari's sovereignty.
System infocards state the location in space, not the house that the system belongs to.
The system is not part of the Sigmas, so it shouldn't be called a Sigma.
Its part of the region of space known as Kusari, not the house.
You did a good example and that was indeed what I was going with.
May I point out KNF status post:
"Expeditionary interests
War supply routes take Naval forces abroad through the Bretonian border worlds to Omega-49. The revolutionary scum residing in Chugoku can expect visits from the KNF as a matter of course. Tau-23 will also remain on the Emperors agenda, where the KNF strike at the BMM base there.
Anywhere there is Bretonian shipping interest, the KNF will disrupt it."
Okinawa fit on the "Emperor's Agenda" as well but it obiviously apply in a different manner, as you pointed out too.
Now, a KNF Chimaera eventually enters Okinawa (was just a matter of time) and GMG question KNF authority (legit or not) to hunt criminals of the state in a system just next to Honshu (with all the implications that JG existance implies), all of a sudden
while they never had issues in allowing to do that in s-13 or s-19 on motivated circumstances, and reacting in a questionable manner toward friendlier units who were there just to help both.
This indirectly involve more than one of the other entities present in the system.
I think there's enough to start something...and I shouldn't say nothing more as it would be just a spoiler, really.
Could we resume from where we was? Tea anyone?
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' Wrote:Don't patronize me, Dab. If the KNF and BAF (for example) both decide that they want to change the story, and ignore some of the in-game written story, what's going to stop them? Let's say that both sides agree that KNF is pushed out of Leeds, and the Nagasaki returns to its previous location. There are no changes to the mod or anything, just a bunch of players agreeing that this is what they will do. What happens then? As long as everyone agrees to it, then it's fine, right?
Not really. Igiss decided the way this war is going to pan out, not the players. If the players decided to change things I think it would have to be discussed with him first, or there could be consequences for going against Discovery canon.
Quote:And yes, roleplaying does require a foundation to build upon. But that doesn't mean it can never change unless the foundation story changes. The players will do what they want to do, and no dev, admin, or anyone can change that. Factions dying out because players get "bored" with their RP, just because it doesn't exactly match what's written? Ridiculous.
The part in bold. People with that mindset might just find themselves with a sanction notification in their hold before long. You do NOT just do as you please unless you go through the proper procedures, such as special RP requests or RP events for larger things to prove you are responsible enough to be granted such a privilege.
Quote:Anyways, I see that I can't change your opinion on this topic, so I'll just drop it.
Yes, you probably should. The discussion is about reaching an agreement regarding Okinawa's RP, not changing people's opinions; these are 2 completely different things.
Quote:Here's another "I'm curious" question. Does anyone think OOC that the Kusari government controls Okinawa?
Since Okinawa has been designated GMG sovereign space, they call the shots there.
Just a note: I'm not saying, proposing, hinting to, alluding to, or in any way suggesting that the players rise up in some kind of rebellion against the server administration, and carry on their glorious quest for the freedom of the story from the tyrannical grip of the creator, etc etc whatever. All I'm saying is that ultimately, the players are in control of the story.
I really don't feel that it should even be necessary for me to clarify that. I mean honestly, no, I am not looking for a sanction, or to get in any kind of trouble. But apparently I've got to be so careful of what I say around here and make sure nothing can be misconstrued as some sort of attack on the community, other players, the server, etc. This is not addressed to you, Jamez, but to that horde of "sankshun" fans out there that are just looking to rack up their tally of filed sanction reports.
/rant
So anyways, back to constructive discussion...
Would the appropriate faction leaders, players, whatever, be willing to discuss both the IC and OOC issues present in a less flammable setting? If so, we should probably start a new thread to discuss it, and make a clean break from this one.
' Wrote:Just a note: I'm not saying, proposing, hinting to, alluding to, or in any way suggesting that the players rise up in some kind of rebellion against the server administration, and carry on their glorious quest for the freedom of the story from the tyrannical grip of the creator, etc etc whatever. All I'm saying is that ultimately, the players are in control of the story.
Wrong, the story is controlled and dictated by Igiss, and no one else. Did a player found Gallia? Or start the idea of an LN/RM war? Nope.
' Wrote:Now, a KNF Chimaera eventually enters Okinawa (was just a matter of time) and GMG question KNF authority (legit or not) to hunt criminals of the state in a system just next to Honshu (with all the implications that JG existance implies), all of a sudden
while they never had issues in allowing to do that in s-13 or s-19 on motivated circumstances, and reacting in a questionable manner toward friendlier units who were there just to help both.
Hunting criminals? To Hatsumi's knowledge, that Chimaera was "on patrol." As an officer, his directive was to confirm who authorized the patrol, as in-game evidence and prior roleplay did not have KNF patrolling Okinawa, and his commander did not notify him of KNF patrols there. (Note: I failed to capture all of the screenshots; 5->6/7 has a gap, in which Hatsumi asked who authorized the patrol, and the officer told Hatsumi not to give ultimatums. I don't expect you to believe this, which is why I am kicking myself for missing that. Maybe Diablo has it.) Sigma-13 and Sigma-19 are different, we've had prior cooperation and roleplay there. EDIT: The player factions.
I've had a bit to think this over, I'm willing to admit that the interview sounded a little aggressive.
Basically I admit Hatsumi's/my actions were questionable. Fine, let the Guild Masters deal with it in RP, and maybe out of RP.
Moving on.
Kusari's reaction was
' Wrote:I was of the impression Okinawa being a Kusari system, still, even if under GMG control.
' Wrote:Okinawa is part of Kusari, and the KNF will patrol all Kusari territory as it sees fit.
Do you see where the problem lies? I won't repost it, it's been said a hundred times.
EDIT: Just read post #9. The important parts are bold and underlined.
Fine, players have no control over the story at all, and do only what is written in by the mod developers. Let us cease discussing this topic, since it's not going to get us anywhere, and move on to more constructive topics please. I myself will no longer talk about this issue of story control in this thread.
those two quotes you have there... one is IC and one is OOC. You can't show them both and be like "they contradict each other" since you're comparing apples and oranges.
I believe the issue at hand is currently being discussed by a bunch of Kusari roleplayers, and they will get back to you with a cogent and official IC and OOC position.
First off, I'm laughing my head off at this thread. The mod is crafted to create a system very close to Sigma-13 in nature, and all hell breaks loose. Jien, if your only basis for wanting Okinawa under Kusari control is that it would be a beneficial thing, then you might as well bitch at us for control of Sigma-13 too. You say this:
Quote:Enemies of Kusari are attacking Honshu from Okinawa. The KNF will act in defense of all of these things.
Yet the same exact thing is the case with Sigma-13. Do you patrol Sigma-13? No, the GMG handles security there very well, and that helps the KNF. Quite honestly, you're handling this in a way that makes next to no sense within RP, and all stemmed off of LoTek saying "Afaik Okinawa is Kusari.", and you saying "Yeah, it's ours, nubs.".
As has been said over and over, you're at war, you get your fuel from us, Kishiro gets income from us. The GMG and Kusari are not allies, but we are partners. We help you, you help us. Hell, us keeping Sigma-13 under control helps you, since if we weren't handling pirates there, guess what you would have to do? Fight off Outcasts and Corsairs from another side. The same thing goes for Okinawa, yet suddenly you think that doing your own patrols is the best idea. Really? You're hilarious, bud.
Summed up: Kusari and the GMG have a partnership. We seldom aid each other in combat unless completely necessary, but we benefit from each other. That means you don't stomp around being a "royal" ass for whatever reason you might have told yourself and the KNF to justify it. Go for it if you want, but in the end the GMG isn't going to roll over and say "Okay, it's yours.". If you're so set on this, go ahead and send patrols into Okinawa all you want, just don't whine when they don't come back.
The situation is in your hands. Listen to the blaring RP and nurture the relationship that has been common sense since Vanilla, or create an ooRP war. Your choice, really.
Edit: Elaborating on something further, Sigma-13 and Okinawa are very, very alike. Both would be of great benefit to Kusarian government if they controlled them, but they don't. Why don't you claim 13 as yours as well? The gas nebula would be pretty "beneficial", wouldn't it?
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