What does an Liberty Naval officer say when a Bretonian Armed Forces military vessel waltzes into New York? They're friends, sure, but that's not a normal or really permissible thing.
Quote:Furthermore, are we talking about the same person? I may look like the fool here, however, who exactly says it was you we're talking about? That is the story I received, and I am still more inclined to believe it than trust the GMG, who have shown no love for Kusari in any way, shape, or form...
Totally confused at what the paragraph even is talking about.
' Wrote:What does an Liberty Naval officer say when a Bretonian Armed Forces military vessel waltzes into New York? They're friends, sure, but that's not a normal or really permissible thing.
See, the difference here is that they're both houses, you're a corporation. If you were a House, it'd be different, but, you're not. You're a corporation...
' Wrote:Totally confused at what the paragraph even is talking about.
Was it the same event? Obviously not...
[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.
EDIT: You know what, that was out of line. My apologies. Good night.
[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.
You can argue til kingdom come. GMG player faction either wants to get their will or threat with hostilities and KNF won't accept a freely accessible system with JG and TL connection beeing a safe transit system for GC and Blood Dragons under the cover of GMG souvereignity. So cut the connections between Honshu and Okinawa. Maybe leave a JH.
' Wrote:You can argue til kingdom come. GMG player faction either wants to get their will or threat with hostilities and KNF won't accept a freely accessible system with JG and TL connection beeing a safe transit system for GC and Blood Dragons under the cover of GMG souvereignity. So cut the connections between Honshu and Okinawa. Maybe leave a JH.
AoM
Many suggestions, including this one have been made, the system creator has dismissed them all as unworkable.
Quote:See, the difference here is that they're both houses, you're a corporation. If you were a House, it'd be different, but, you're not. You're a corporation...
But that delves into a completely different issue. The GMG is a guild, and holds ownership over systems and certain areas of space. That's an indisputable truth. Does Microsoft own its own country? No, it doesn't, so you're creating an entire different idea here. A corporation does not control territory; the GMG does, so while they may be a corporation regarding shipping and industry, they don't fall into that mold completely.
That said, this isn't to say that a Bretonian Armed Forces vessel is completely out of place in Liberty. If their presence is announced, and they have reason and permission for being there, that's fine. Same in this case; if a KNF came around and communicated and explained, a peaceful scenario could play out. But that's not what happened. This is indeed the same event, Baconsoda. Diablo never explained his reason for being there, as you can see in the screenshots on the RP thread. When he posted his comment on the thread, he then explained what he was doing and why. Whether his post is truthful or not isn't in question either, but the point is that he never said that when it needed to be known and to the person who needed to know the most: Kasugai. Instead then Jien decided to post that Okinawa is Kusarian controlled, which coincidentally puts the KNF in the clear regarding the event.
And this:
Quote:GMG player faction either wants to get their will or threat with hostilities
Really is ridiculous and inflammatory. We get the main man of Kusari telling us that our space is his, and have been willing to discuss this, but receive little in return. What do you suggest we do? Dab is fully in the right to tell us why the modding suggestions shouldn't be put in place. Why? Because he built the system and those changes don't fit the RP. Basically we're being told the modding needs an overhaul because Jien doesn't like it. How's that, really?
Well, then I am the fool in this situation. Congratulations.
The GMG is a corporation, however, of that I am sure. You're a corporation like, say, the De Beers Family is a corporation. You have a significant presence in defense and whatnot, however, you are not completely independent and rely on one major export. However, if you are so vehement about not being a Kusari corporation, then please stop stating that you are. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You're either part of Kusari, or not part of Kusari. In RP you can blur the line, but out of RP, you have to pick one.
And then the question comes into play, why do you have to kick out a KNF officer, of your parent house, looking out for nothing but your best interests? I just don't understand what the big deal here is besides chest thumping over whether or not Okinawa is yours. It can exist as Sigma-13 and Sigma-19 exist, however, if you'd be so kind as to notice, there are KNF NPCs in these systems, at least at the gate, meaning that yes, the KNF can patrol there. Your permission is not something your parent house should have to ask for when guarding its borders. That is the problem here. Quite honestly, it doesn't matter whether or not that was in intention of the system in the first place, that is bollocks, if it was. It's ridiculous to think it would ever happen this way, especially with that Jump Gate there. If Okinawa were a border world, as was actually suggested, but denied, it would make sense. As is, it does not...
And Jein doesn't just represent himself, he represents the Kusari lawful government, which, quite honestly, doesn't care for Okinawa, and we have expressed this, twice, in fact yet, it seems to have fallen on deaf ears....
Now if you'll excuse me, I've said more than my piece. Have a nice night.
[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.
Quote:However, if you are so vehement about not being a Kusari corporation, then please stop stating that you are.
Never once have stated that, if you'll notice. The GMG and Kusari share a economic partnership, nothing more.
But it falls to whether a sovereign GMG system wants a military patrol running through. The player who was involved has a character that is pretty edgy and paranoid (feel free to jump in and correct me if I'm off at all, Vince), so when the situation came at him, he acted as his character should have. I don't think a military patrol has a place in normal patrol routes through space that isn't theirs, in my opinion. If the KNF ever need to enter Okinawa, they really should have a reason. The KNF player faction has never executed patrols through Sigma-13, but has had to enter for certain reasons before. Communication makes for enjoyable RP and makes everyone feel better in and out of RP, simple as that. So why don't we do the same thing with Okinawa?
I'm curious if Jien still is set on Okinawa being Kusarian controlled space, though. That was really the prime issue. Or rather, what started this cluster****.
' Wrote:However, if you are so vehement about not being a Kusari corporation, then please stop stating that you are.
Honestly, (even if we did state that) "Kusari corporation" is a vague term. The GMG is a corporation in the (eastern) Kusari region of space and the Sigmas. They have close cultural and economic ties to Kusari, but it is not their governing body. The vanilla infocard of Aomori Station in Honshu clearly states that it is an Outpost for the GMG in Kusari space. Explain that infocard with the view of GMG being a corporation governed by Kusari.
' Wrote:And then the question comes into play, why do you have to kick out a KNF officer, of your parent house, looking out for nothing but your best interests?
If this incident happened independent of the Hatsumi(me)-Diablo incident, I would think (&hope) that either the KNF or GMG officer would be prompted to take screenshots, which have yet to appear. If we are indeed talking about the same incident, Hatsumi/I was rather brash. The Kusari officer may easily have gotten the idea that Hatsumi was trying to kick him out.
Orin, I wouldn't call Hatsumi paranoid - he's just got a fiery dragon burning inside of him. Looking back, it was probably a mistake for me to roleplay in this fashion, I did not expect these matters to escalate as far as Kusari annexing (or RP having already annexed) Okinawa.
' Wrote:I just don't understand what the big deal here is besides chest thumping over whether or not Okinawa is yours.
Right, I'll just restate it (some CtrlC CtrlV). Prior to Kusari's response to Hatsumi's transmission, Kusari had no sovereignty over Okinawa. The fact that the transmission was the first time that any Kusari official has stated ownership of Okinawa made me believe that the claim was simply an oversight, and Kusari roleplayers were operating under the belief that Okinawa was the emperor's prior to the incident.
' Wrote:It can exist as Sigma-13 and Sigma-19 exist, however, if you'd be so kind as to notice, there are KNF NPCs in these systems, at least at the gate, meaning that yes, the KNF can patrol there.
No, in all my time as a GMG, I have never seen Kusari Naval Forces NPCs at the Sigma side of those gates. Are they truly there?
' Wrote:Your permission is not something your parent house should have to ask for when guarding its borders. That is the problem here. Quite honestly, it doesn't matter whether or not that was in intention of the system in the first place, that is bollocks, if it was. It's ridiculous to think it would ever happen this way, especially with that Jump Gate there. If Okinawa were a border world, as was actually suggested, but denied, it would make sense. As is, it does not...
The way the system is currently set up is very reminiscent of a border world.
' Wrote:And Jein doesn't just represent himself, he represents the Kusari lawful government,...which, quite honestly, doesn't care for Okinawa, and we have expressed this, twice, in fact yet, it seems to have fallen on deaf ears....
If we're talking about Kusari in RP, then let's see some roleplay of the government pressuring the GMG, looking for a reason to step in, and pressing the Hogosha and AFA harder to make the GMG projects fail in Okinawa, or even issuing ultimatums. For the record, that is not what we've seen so far.
If you are talking about the community members roleplaying the Kusari government, then let us do some progressive thinking.
I have discussed the matter with another, and we agreed that if the lane connects directly to Honshu, there should be a border station next to the Honshu -> Okinawa gate in Honshu just like Akita in the case of Sigma-13. This came up in the first Okinawa thread as well. What do you think?
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