' Wrote:This is a serious attempt at Roleplay. If I was not here to perpetuate Roleplaying, then I would not be posting in this thread trying to make sense of something that makes utterly no sense in RP (If you'll excuse me for stating my opinion).
The fact of the matter is that to continue such Roleplay so that it makes sense for both parties is to change the mod. I mean, look at Okinawa and the number of threads that have resulted in talking about its change (Or were started simply for that fact). This is the third major one I have seen, and I'm sure there are a couple little ones laying around here somewhere. I don't know about you, but to me, that says that something needs to be changed.
What do you mean by 'to continue such roleplay'?
Do you mean that, after any mod changes are implemented, that Kusari will continue to claim sovereignity over Okinawa?
P.S For some background reading regarding development of the Okinawa system - and responses to it:
Search Results for "Okinawa" - All Forums, Topic Titles Only (excludes GMG Okinawa event threads).
Does it make sense in RP for a house planet (Honshu) to be connected to uncontrolled space (Okinawa) via a gate and a lane without a border station or battleship? Is the only example besides Honshu really Denver, Colorado to Galileo? Not that that's the same, because Galileo does have Liberty Navy patrols.
Also, second issue, apparently Kusari will have to travel through Okinawa to Nagano, not that that route exists in 4.85 or makes much sense in RP for reasons stated above...
If no mod changes are made, the roleplay will have to continue from here... if the changes are made then I don't see a reason why we couldn't take a step back from a diplomatic incident that shouldn't have happened in the first place.
Does it make sense in RP for a house planet (Honshu) to be connected to uncontrolled space (Okinawa) via a gate and a lane without a border station or battleship? Is the only example besides Honshu really Denver, Colorado to Galileo? Not that that's the same, because Galileo does have Liberty Navy patrols.
To find the nearest example of this, we actually need look no further than the next trade lane.
From Honshu runs a lane to the Sigma-19 gate, and thence into the borderworlds, with no installations along the way save for Aomori. If Kusari cannot trust GMG to maintain peace in Okinawa and fears a threat to Honshu, how can they live with the instability in Sigma-19 (which is constantly assaulted by Outcasts and Corsairs) and not see that as a threat to their planet? Obviously, they put more faith in the GMG than some would credit...
' Wrote:To find the nearest example of this, we actually need look no further than the next trade lane.
From Honshu runs a lane to the Sigma-19 gate, and thence into the borderworlds, with no installations along the way save for Aomori. If Kusari cannot trust GMG to maintain peace in Okinawa and fears a threat to Honshu, how can they live with the instability in Sigma-19 (which is constantly assaulted by Outcasts and Corsairs) and not see that as a threat to their planet? Obviously, they put more faith in the GMG than some would credit...
Yes, but the KNF can go into the Sigma's when they need to, so it's not quite the same.
I like the idea of removing the Planet Honshu > Okinawa Gate tradelane. As people have said, we are still in beta, things can and will be changed. The RP can be built around the changes.
As long as when the gate is removed, the trade is rebalanced to reflect the changes. Kishiro does have a vested interest in the trade routes of Okinawa.
KNF can go in Okinawa to chase criminals as it's still friendly space and there are Kusari interests there. But is there a need to regularly patrol it? That was the nature of my transmission, though yes I've admitted the in-game encounter was much more aggressive.
As I said, my problem was with "it's ours and we'll patrol it when we want." If you said "we will patrol Okinawa and the Sigmas to protect kusari interests" - we couldn't have much of an issue. Heck maybe you'd catch the Hogosha attacking Kishiro transports!
Just to add, I've never seen a KNF patrol in the Sigmas. I have seen them chase criminals, and we're fine with it. They've given us a helping hand from time to time. Personal experience with this: http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...4343&st=478
Markus, we aren't talking about removing the gate, only the lane. I could offer Xoria help to rebalance the routes in and out of Okinawa. (same rates, just change prices)
' Wrote:KNF can go in Okinawa to chase criminals as it's still friendly space and there are Kusari interests there. But is there a need to regularly patrol it? That was the nature of my transmission, though yes I've admitted the in-game encounter was much more aggressive.
As I said, my problem was with "it's ours and we'll patrol it when we want." If you said "we will patrol Okinawa and the Sigmas to protect kusari interests" - we couldn't have much of an issue. Heck maybe you'd catch the Hogosha attacking Kishiro transports!
Just to add, I've never seen a KNF patrol in the Sigmas. I have seen them chase criminals, and we're fine with it. They've given us a helping hand from time to time. Personal experience with this: http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...4343&st=478
Markus, we aren't talking about removing the gate, only the lane. I could offer Xoria help to rebalance the routes in and out of Okinawa. (same rates, just change prices)
First to the Sigma's, the KNF doesnt patrol the Sigma's because it feels the GMG have it under control, but, it reserves to do whatever it wants should the situation change. We dont need to ask permission from the GMG to enter the Sigma's and that is very important. What would be best for Kusari/GMG relations in my view point would be a document in which the Kusari government recognizes GMG sovereignty over Okinawa, while at the same time the GMG recognizes the vital Kusari interests in Okinawa and will not now or in the future restrict Kusari operations in Okinawa so long as the Kusari forces notify the GMG if possible when entering the system. Once that was done, the Kusari and GMG could talk about building tradelanes from the Okinawa JG to Planet Honshu.
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