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Offline Fellow Hoodlum
05-08-2009, 12:40 PM,
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Apocalypse.Now has been sanctioned for:

Quote:6.1 Every player must have an ID equipped on his or her ship. Players under level 40 might use Civilian IDs
(basic IDs sold on every station), characters who reach level 40 must choose an NPC faction to ally and get
the ID of this faction, or get a generic ID.
Quote:6.21 Attacking without an engagement notice is not allowed. All attacks must be preceded with some form of RP, regardless of NPC faction diplomacy.
The 6.1 covers the parameters of your ID as well, and use of capital ships outside those quoted on the that ID.
The 6.21 is the second time you have been reported for that.

This is from the BHG Guard ID:
Quote:Can only fulfill bounty contracts against fighters or gunboats by using a fighter, bomber, freighter, or gunboat,
unless the target is in a capital ship, then the same class of capital ship may be used to collect the bounty, but
Core cruisers and battleships can only collect bounties within the Omicron, Omega, or Sigma systems.
There were no bounties in force on any of the ships involved, and all were of much smaller class.
If you want to just hunt pirates, you join the requisite military forces. You are by definition, a hunter of bounties.
Your engagement notices lack what is required by the rule.

Fined all credits and guns, sanction notifications are in your hold.

Hoodlum

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Offline Apocalypse_Now
05-08-2009, 03:59 PM,
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First of all let me just make it clear that I am very aware that all that I say right now, and after you provide me a response, won't change anything. You are not gonna change your mind regardless of what I say. But I do want you to know that you sanctioned someone who didn't deserve it in a first place, for SECOND time as a matter of fact.

1. I respect and obey the laws of this server, CONSTANTLY! That includes so much simple and short-time taking "Engaging (...)!" announcement.

2. This is a second time someone sets me up a sanction (first time, that pirate freighter near FR1, who was shooting for 30 minutes 1k from the base in NFZ, DID have BH pilots in his cargo hold. As a matter of fact, he admitted it Spaceball that he set me up). But do you care? Why should you? I had no screenshot as proof, did I? Should one always make screenshot when attack hostile even with rightful and legal cause? In that case, and with all due respect Administrator, "the game" *coughs* would have a different and probably shallow point; everyone would just go around taking screenshots all the time just to make sure some of the person who dislikes him personally wouldn't set him up in a untrue and undignified manner. And where is the fun with that? Do you recommend me personally that I should do that?

3. Who is the name that I "ilegally" attacked? I am eager to find that out, so I can, probably in vain, tell something in my defense?

Although nothing will change, as I've already mentioned that I am well aware of, I will be waiting for your response with great enthusiasm, Fellow Hoodlum. I know that you are just doing your job making sure that everyone follows the rules of conduct. I have nothing against you and against all my "enemies". Few dozens pilots knows that I am a honorable, truthful and clear-judgement person, and that I respect even my enemies who fight with dignity. I don't mind loosing, I don't mind watching my crew dieing in pain and suffering nor do I mind being destroyed in glorious battle. But I do mind when someone tells that I did something what I DID NOT do!!!

Respectfully,

Walter E. Kurtz --- Captain of independent BHG battlecruiser "Apocalypse Now".


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Offline Fellow Hoodlum
05-08-2009, 05:39 PM,
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In the old days of 4.84, we had a minor problem with BHG capships hanging around a certain Sigma system
in the middle of a notorious powertrading run, 'protecting' traders from pirates, whether they paid, or wanted
it or not. Even cases of non-existent bounties were used as an excuse to use big bad guns against fighters
and bombers ...
Now with the new rule concerning the posting of bounties, and the new ID parameters, which are both very
clear, we thought this sort of capship abuse would become a thing of the past. Unfortunately you seem to
have made Omega 3 the new spot. There is no reason to have a BHG Battlecruiser hanging round there
'protecting' traders from fighters, bombers, and gunboats ... That was the reason for all the changes in the
first place. The pirates are not in a position to be using large capital ships for entirely the same ID parameter
restrictions as the BHG, as well as the fact they cannot use anything bigger than a gunboat to pirate in.
So why are you using a large one exactly ? You are not collecting bounties ...
There is no dastardly plot in operation here, just players fed up with unfair, and rule breaking play. Nothing
more sinister as that I'm afraid. You are a Guild Core pilot, please act like one ...

Hoodlum

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Offline Apocalypse_Now
05-08-2009, 06:09 PM,
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You didn't tell me of which incident are we talking about... How can you know? Maybe they engaged me? How can I tell you anything in my defense if I don't know what are you referring to?

Of whatever incident we are talking about, I swear that I always announce my engagement. One would have to be an idiot not to announce it. Come on, be serious. Do I seem to you like a type of pilot who would neglect such a simple rule?
So, even if I used too much firepower and broke the rule, I'll admit on that part, but I demand that you recognize that I announced my attack. In that case, my punishment should be lessened, if I'm not mistaken.
Again, although I know it should be anonymous, if you'd tell me where that incident took place, I'm sure there were witnesses who saw my announcement. If it proves that I lied to you concerning my announcement, I insist that you ban me, respectfully, forever.

So, do you think I am a liar?

P.S. And what about bounty on my head? Unofficial bounty? And all those corsair capital ships which attack me constantly, which are leaving their Zone of Influence (with the respect to several honorable ones)? So many loop-holes... Even if one don't take it too personally, it is considered, by all standards, unfair.

P.P.S. I can't make it more clear to you that I always announce.


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Offline Fellow Hoodlum
05-08-2009, 07:11 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-08-2009, 07:13 PM by Fellow Hoodlum.)
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You stated you were hunting pirates, in a battlecruiser, pirates I might add who were entirely green to you,
and without specific bounties on them, and nothing larger than a gunboat.
So I'll add this to the sanction report now:

Quote:6.2 Out of Roleplay (OORP):
In-game tag seen before the name must match the ID as closely as possible. It is not allowed to have the tag
not match ID category. For example, it is prohibited to have 'Police' tag and 'Pirate' ID.

Equipment used must match tag and ID as closely as possible. For example, it is not allowed for Corsairs to
use Outcast ships and guns.

The following chart is an official guideline of ship and weapon use on the official Discovery Server :
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?...ntry555940

All reputations should be in accordance with the faction followed, all enemies must be red, at least during the
course of a player - player combat.
In fact at the time, you were at +0.9 to the entire Outcast Alliance. That is full green to the uninitiated ...
Full green to The Hessians, The LWB, The Bundschuh, The Mollies, The Blood Dragons, The GC, the
Hackers, The Rogues and The Outcasts.
In fact you managed to get neutral to The Outcast and The Junker Guard. How is that exactly ?
That is not an example of game engine mechanics, that takes effort.
These reports are all taken seriously, and looked into in great detail, nothing is missed in pretty much
every case. This wasn't mentioned earlier, as the other rules covered the sanction. So I'm bringing it to
everyone's attention now to show why the sentence is severe. We honestly don't have time to cover
every single violation most times, or this would be a full time job. In this case we are making an exception.
You used a battlecruiser when you should not have been, against targets not allowed, and being neutral
to them at the time.
Now if you consider "Engaging<Charname> to be good roleplay as well, then we expect to be seeing your
name here again unfortunately. Personally I hope not.
Now if that in not enough paperwork for you, and it certainly is for me, then I'm sure you can ban yourself.

Hoodlum

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Offline zeinstruktor
05-08-2009, 08:23 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-08-2009, 08:24 PM by zeinstruktor.)
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Sorry for posting here, but I was present when this happened.

The situation I believe is the cause for this report is 3 Corsair fighters in Omega-3. I was fighting them on my BH Manta, and Apocalypse shows up and destroys two of them to assist me, leaving me to finish off the last one. I was under the pretense that when factionmates are in battle, a prolonged engagement notice is not necessary... He was not hunting bounties, he was simply aiding a fellow Hunter, which is enough RP reason to attack.

Also, saying that the Corsairs do not have any capitals in Omega-3 is untrue, as an Osiris popped up a bit later in that very system.

And yes, that engagement notice was lacking, but as I said, I was told by an admin that if your allies are already in battle, you do not need an extended engagement notice.


If this was not the situation he was reported for, then just delete this.
 
Offline Fellow Hoodlum
05-08-2009, 08:30 PM,
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Nope, nothing to do with that at all, but thanks. So we'll call it a day here now before the whole forum and
his dog gets involved, as seems to be the current trend in these threads.

Hoodlum

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