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Bundschuh backbone ship
Offline Eternal
05-13-2009, 09:18 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-15-2009, 08:28 AM by Eternal.)
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Although I am fully aware that a ship made by Xing was suggested to become our new , backbone ship as something different and unique. It was decided by the majority of the Volksfront faction that the ship simply does not fit our style , needs and goals , although being a very impressive design.

Recently , the topic about our own ship was raised again over our secure network , a.k.a skype , and we have decided to kindly ask some of the very talented designers , here at Disco , to create a ship for us.

Many discussions took place and various points where raised , whether we can even design our own ship and even if we can , where will it be build and with what resources ? We have come to agree that the Bundschuh is a party which is formed by the intelligent minds of Rheinland. Most of our members are scientists , scholars , professors and so forth , meaning that designing the ship itself should not be much of a challenge for us. Building the ship however , is an entirely different matter and we know that perfectly well. However , the Bundschuh movement was the one which sparked a revolution , giving birth to one of the largest organizations in Sirius - The Red Hessians. They are to this day our most trusted allies and friends. The Hessians have the knowledge , materials and bases in which to construct the ship itself.

We have also agreed that if we are deemed worthy of a ship to call our own , it should not be something which can outright match the fire power of the Odin , nor the hull strength of the Sabre. Since our main enemies do not use Very Heavy fighters , we don't need the bulk of the Sabre , nor the fire power of the Odin to effectively deal with them , for that reason a Heavy Fighter is enough to suit our needs of quick get-aways and quick and accurate attacks.

Now , unfortunately , no one from VF) is a designer and we can't even provide you with a skeleton of a wanna be ship , but what we can provide is information of what it should look like and what you should avoid when creating it.

Now , the Bundschuh are not your everyday pirates , we aren't even pirates by most standarts , we are revolutionaries. Like such , we fight for the common folk , our goal is not to scare or intimidate people with scary , old and rusty ships , with tons of fire power , like the Rogues for instance , but to show them a new face of Rheinland , something new , something modern. No spikes , dark colors , skull and bones and pirate like scheme. We fight for change after all , our ship should reflect that. As such I believe that the design should not be inspired by any of the ships in use by the Rheinland lawfuls.

Bundschuh operate mainly in rock fields , hidden from the larger , capital vessels of the RM , for that purpose our ships should be maneuverable enough to easily operate in such conditions and designed to fight in them. Cough out in open space with no protection , they shouldn't be a challenge for the RM or the new RFP SHF. I imagine that we would need at least two of them to deal with one SHF , same goes for a larger transport , at least two to deal with it.

Firepower and space superiority is not something the ship is mainly designed for , for that I think that 5 forward firing weapons and perhaps a backwards only turret should be enough for our needs. We are mainly a RP orientated faction , PvP comes second in our concerns.

What do we hope to achieve by receiving our very own ship ?

In RP and in actual faction RP , we want to attract more people to our cause. Having something original and ours is what we wish to have , we all know that it is mainly that which attracts people. Also , we currently give out Sabres easily then we do Lokies. I don't think that should be the case , a small revolutionary party mass using a ship used for much tougher battles and conditions by a much more powerful faction , such as the Outcasts.

Everyone is welcome to submit their own view over the ship and we will be happy to see your designes.

EDIT- Feel free to comment

Eternal

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Offline Shaka
05-13-2009, 08:33 PM,
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As numerous rumors will attest, the Bundschuh typically don't resort to piracy. Thus, this ship will be more focused towards fighter to fighter combat. Many of the tyrannical corporations whom we fight against, as well as the RFP, field light fighters. Maneuverability is a top concern. As Eternal already mentioned, all of our bases reside in asteroid fields, and much of our action occurs there.

Just some thoughts on the overall vision of the craft.

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Offline Linkus
05-14-2009, 11:26 AM,
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A hard hitting light fighter?





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Offline Cellulanus
05-14-2009, 03:57 PM,
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Hmm... I can't see the Bund making an entirly new ship from scratch however I can see them modifying an already existing ship.

Possibly they modified the BW HFs that they have? (Switchblade and Dagger based ships)
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Offline Xing
05-14-2009, 04:15 PM,
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I did exactly this formula.

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Offline farmerman
05-14-2009, 04:36 PM,
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While basing it off the Borderworlds series makes some sense, it would be much better if it didn't look as violent as the Dagger, etc. The Bundschuh want to project a different image, after all.

That said, the one Yue Fei made before was quite nice for a ship, if not overly Bundschuh-ish. I'd still like to see that implemented as something.

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Offline Cellulanus
05-14-2009, 04:39 PM,
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Where can I find this model everyone is speaking of? Search is as useless as always.
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Offline Xing
05-14-2009, 04:48 PM,
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[Image: SabreNeue.png]

It's the only image I've got left of. I've deleted the model.

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Offline Eternal
05-14-2009, 06:10 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-14-2009, 06:11 PM by Eternal.)
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Yes , this is exactly the ship which was discussed. I honestly believe that it deserves a place in this mod , it is very impressive. But now , back on the topic.

Something inspired from the Border worlds might work , we have used that series of ships for a very long time now and I believe that we are familiar with it. I think that the original border worlds series ships do not fit us all that well , simply because it makes little sense to have such a "tank" of a ship , which the new Sabre seems to have become , as our main vessel. Currently , it does not handle very well in rock fields and although it packs a strong punch , it simply cannot keep up with the agility of the smaller police ships , nor the fire power and hull strength of the SHF.

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Offline Cellulanus
05-14-2009, 11:25 PM,
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Hmm... Possibly a modified Dagger model... Add a little green here and there and some things added onto the hull that look of Rheinlander design.

It would probably be better not to make the ship mearly inspired by the old model, but make it look like they took a regular one and added stuff on top, like having some unmodified Dagger sections visible.
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